Living Dead!

Some definitions first:

  1. a life that is so full of suffering that it would be better to be dead:
  2. Those living with depression are The Living Dead.
  3. people who are very dull and boring
  4. a dead body that has been brought back to life by a supernatural force
  5. reanimated corpses that have been turned into creatures capable of movement but not of rational thought; zombies.
  6. நடைபிணமாக – Tamil – (Walking corpse)

Living dead are those who are out of the frying pan and into the fire!

Living dead are those who are between the devil and the deep blue sea!

Living dead are those like ants in the middle of a fire blazing on both ends of a log!

Living dead are those who have lost their job in their middle age and nothing looks prospective!

Living dead are those who do not have anything to continue their livelihood on their own nor have other’s confidence to help them!

Living dead are those who once upon a time were respected by everyone around because they have been remunerated handsomely but have now lost respect from the same persons because of their unaffordability now!

Living dead are those who have now become boring because people no longer feel the need to listen to them!

Living dead are those who now have lost all rational thoughts according to others since they now no longer have any intrinsic values because they have lost their buying powers!

Living dead are those living in conditions of perpetual depression but people around do not have the eyes or ears for it!

Living dead are those walking corpses because it hardly matters to others or to themselves as to whether they exist or not!

Living dead are those who never wishes to be brought back to life by any supernatural force because they are already living in hell everyday!

Living dead are those mad men who are realized but cannot make anyone around understand that!

Living dead are those who are actually not in illusion but the people around them think so: It is they who actually run around all the time like birds gathering for food and do not go beyond the first level of awareness of the soul (Annamaya Kosha)!

The real “Living Dead” in the true sense of the word are those:

Living dead are those who are actually in the mode of ignorance but presume they are happy, dominating and enjoying life!

Living dead are those who see people around them suffering but do not have the inclination to help them even a bit!

Living dead are those who give respect to those who do not deserve any respect but give undue respect to those who do not even deserve it a bit!

Living dead are those who go after pseudo swamis and self-made godman only to get cheated by them because they themselves do not know the real goal of life!

Ultimately:

Living dead are those having born as a human being still do not attempt to know the purpose of their existence till the last day of their lives only to fall into this desperate material pool of existence perpetually without knowing the consequences of this repeated birth death old age and disease!

Notes:

  1. Title inspired by: Meat LoafOut of the frying pan and into the fire. – Video – ” And all around the city You see the walking wounded and the living dead
  2. Theme inspired by Avvaiyaarஒளவையார் தனிப் பாடல் : 54:

கொடியது:

கொடியது கேட்கின் நெடியவெல் வேலோய்!
கொடிது கொடிது வறுமை கொடிது
அதனினும் கொடிது இளமையில் வறுமை
அதனினும் கொடிது ஆற்றொணாத் தொழுநோய்
அதனினும் கொடிது அன்பிலாப் பெண்டிர்
அதனினும் கொடிது
இன்புற அவர்கையில் உண்பது தானே

Meaning: இந்த உலகில் மிகவும் கொடுமையானது எது என்றால் வறுமைதான். அந்த வறுமையும் இளமைப் பருவத்தில் வந்தால் மிக மிகக் கொடுமையானது. அத்தகைய வறுமையை விடக் கொடுமையானது தீராத கொடிய நோய் ஆகும். தீராத கொடிய நோயைவிடக் கொடுமையானது அன்பே இல்லாத பெண்ணுடன் வாழ்வது. அதைவிடக் கொடுமையானது அந்தப் பெண்ணிடம் உணவைப் பெற்று உண்பது ஆகும் என்று கொடுமையானவற்றுள் எல்லாம் மிகவும் கொடுமையானது அன்பு இல்லாத பெண் இடும் உணவை உண்பதுதான் என ஒளவையார் குறிப்பிட்டுள்ளார்.

Translation: People in the following conditions are considered as “Living Dead” because of their terrible sufferings.

The severity increases in the ascending order as mentioned below:

Living dead are those suffering in poverty. More than this are those who are poverty-stricken in their youth. More than this are those who suffer from a terrible disease. More than this are those who live with a woman who have no love for him. The most terrible thing possible for a living dead is to eat the food given by that woman!

  • Concept inspired by Srimad Bhagavatham: “Due to his pious activities in previous lives, the conditioned soul attains material facilities in this life, but when they are finished, he takes shelter of wealth and riches, which cannot help him in this life or the next. Because of this, he approaches the living dead who possess these things. Such people are compared to impure trees, creepers and poisonous wells.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 5.14.12 – The material world as the great forest of enjoyment.

May I?

O my lord, O best of the givers of benediction, if you will kindly grant me the benediction I desire, please let me not meet death from any of the living entities created by you. Grant me that I not die within any residence or outside any residence, during the daytime or at night, nor on the ground or in the sky. Grant me that my death not be brought by any being other than those created by you, nor by any weapon, nor by any human being or animal. Grant me that I not meet death from any entity, living or non-living. Grant me, further, that I not be killed by any demigod or demon or by any great snake from the lower planets. Since no one can kill you in the battlefield, you have no competitor. Therefore, grant me the benediction that I too may have no rival. Give me sole lordship over all the living entities and presiding deities, and give me all the glories obtained by that position. Furthermore, give me all the mystic powers attained by long austerities and the practice of yoga, for these cannot be lost at any time.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 7.3.35-38

If we don’t want to realise the purpose of life as a human being and indulge in everything else other this, we are inferior to even demons whose only purpose in their life is sense gratification. The above verse is from Srimad Bhagavatham where Hiranyakasipu, the king of the demons, on performing long austerities to Lord Brahma asks for the above benedictions thinking himself over-smart only to be put to dust later by Lord Narasimhadeva, the magnificent incarnation of The Supreme Personality of Godhead – Lord Shri Krishna/Lord Vishnu.

This prayer/poem “May I” is an inspiration based on the above benedictions by Hiranyakasipu in order to understand what is our actual position and what should be our real aspiration. “May I” is dedicated to Lord Narasimhadeva, the man-lion incarnation.

May I!

May I beg Lord Shri Krishna that I forever be under His protection and fully surrendered to him!

May these transgressions from spiritual pursuits to be realised only for the time being till I am absolved of my family responsibilities and obligations!

May I able to quit family life then and forever be under Your mercy and protection O Shri Krishna!

May I always live with minimalistic needs while all the time involve myself in chanting your Holy names, reading, writing and listening about You and Your pastimes!

May I quit this body at Your will, while being forever remain surrendered to You life after life!

May this soul always be at Your mercy, so there is no reason to ask for any benediction from You!

May whatever be the condition You put to this soul Please let me always remember You because without your remembrance this soul just cannot exist!

 May I beg You to make me remain as a dust under Your lotus feet since I don’t know to perform any austerities properly nor I know to interpret you properly. All I know is You only!

May I forever be under the shelter of your pure devotees and by fully surrendered to them to solicit their company to continuously chant Your names and Your Holy pastimes!

May I not want any palatable food that kindles the taste buds that drag me into the mode of passion and ignorance. I also don’t want anything else that will make me forget You!

May I not sleep at all because it will make me forget You and to chant Your Holy names all the time – Hare Krishna Mahamantra, Vishnu Sahasranamam and all glorious prayers written for You by Your devotees – prayers that are worthy to be sung!

May I always sing Your prayers describing Your insignia – Sudarshan chakra conch club sword bow etc which are non-different from You!

May I always sing prayers about your glorious incarnations matsya kurma varaha Narasimha Vamana Parasurama Rama Balarama Krishna Kalki which are non-different from you!

May I always sing prayers about your consorts who are your internal potencies – Goddess Maha Lakshmi,  Srimati Radharani and so on!

May I forget hunger, thirst, family relationships and whatever material assets you have given me that will anyway leave me at the time of quitting this body which is only a bag that is constantly emitting foul substances but still wants to enjoy these impermanent things called material nature!

May I always remember You because You only are the object and objective worth remembering!

May I always remember you because You are the only one who is eternal – existing before the creation, during the creation, during the sustenance, during the annihilation and also after the annihilation You only remain!

May I always be surrendered to You without any inhibitions or any expectations!

May I always remain surrendered to You and be under Your protection seeking absolutely nothing from anyone or anything else!

May I always continue to remain in this mindset of being fully surrendered to You under any situation that may be imposed because of karma!

May this commitment of being fully surrendered to you never ever waver no matter what, irrespective of whatever tribulations that I may be put in!

May this act of surrendering to you unconditionally be the only permanent thing in my mind!

May I beg you to accept my Surrender to you – this insignificant soul – and resolve me of all the sins and harms that I have committed to myself and to any living being either willingly or unwillingly!

May I sincerely seek Your forgiveness and beg You to accept my surrender and that I face all the eventualities that will arise out of my foolishness wholeheartedly and make sure I do not commit the same foolishness again!

Finally, please accept my surrender and make me do everything for You without expectation of any reward and make me do everything ONLY for the satisfaction to you!

And by surrendering to You unconditionally Please let your unsurmountable illusory energy Maya not act on me for without wholehearted surrender to Your Lotus feet, this is just not possible!

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare!

Om Namo Naaraayanaaya!

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya!

Conversation 065 – Detachment, Surrender and Liberation

This conversation is between a middle-aged person and his mother discussing about detachment, surrender and on achieving liberation from this material existence.

Seeker 2: Even if people knows about their problems very well, they do not make an attempt to fix it but do something else to get diverted away from it temporarily, will the problem go away by itself?

Seeker 2: I was just lying in a sofa without doing anything for two hours pondering about my issues and now only getting a bit fresh and you came to meet me.

Seeker 2: I understand that Krishna is doing everything for a reason and hence I have no regrets. Only the external mind is undergoing everything and affecting the soul that is foolishly attached to the mind.

Seeker 1: Hmm. I am thinking of how I was at the age of 35 to 45.

Seeker 2: I say don’t think about it because it will only give you pain considering the facilities for learning available now and available then and still people not making use of it!

Seeker 2: No use talking and praising about self-achievements. Does that change the present situation? Only by understanding the reality and endeavour to come out of these situations every time and learning from the experiences to face new situations can one survive in this present hostile world.

Seeker 2: You always say this situation will change and yes it will and it does. It may change for the better or for the worse but one should be equipoised in both the situations because we should understand that certain things are beyond our control.

Seeker 1: Yes!

Seeker 2: Krishna says to Arjuna in Bhagavad Gita: wise people do not lament either for the living or for the dead. Arjuna (Nara) is a human incarnation of Lord Vishnu / Lord Krishna (Naaraayanaa) but still has to undergo these kinds of situations, what are we compared to him?

Seeker 2: Srimad Bhagavatham mentions how Vidura was overtaken by grief because of his brother and his sons who acted without virtue throughout their life and how Uddhava was unable to handle the separation of Krishna but both Vidura and Uddhava were equipoised despite their difficult situations because both of them knew the science of God.

Seeker 1: Yes, the wheel of time is always spinning. It is not always at the bottom; it has to come to the top.

Seeker 2: If you do not find people with like disposition, for few moments negative thoughts always come up but only Krishna can give the intelligence to come out of these situations. There is no use worrying about anyone or anything. Everyone is destined to face their situations and they have to ultimately come out of it by their own endeavours.

Seeker 2: Knowing this if you still get depressed then what do we learn from our past experiences? Trying to get out of these relationships and live impartially is the only means to attain liberation. Realising birth and death process is a biggest pain and getting away from it is the biggest knowledge, everything else is useless!

Seeker 1: What to do, I am an ordinary human being?

Seeker 2: Everybody is ordinary only. Going beyond and realising these facts is what makes humans different from animals!

Seeker 1: Yes, that is too hard. Blood is thicker than water.

Seeker 2: Tell me how did your mother live? Have you seen her getting attached to anyone or anything? Tell me this and your answer will tell if she is a good candidate for liberation.

Seeker 1: How shall I tell this? She was hard of hearing and that was somewhat advantageous to her, but she was very intelligent.

Seeker 2: Yes. Still she was also a human being like us with emotions, relationships, eyes that can see all the nonsense happening around and understand what is going on. Right?  Tell me based on this!

Seeker 1: She always use to say I have to leave this world when everyone of you is in a good position. That was her prayer all the time.

Seeker 2: There is nothing special in this. Everyone wishes that only. Being in a good position is only a relative concept. If people around you are greedy and envious, every situation is bad and unfortunate. Most people are not contented with how much ever they have got or how much ever they have achieved in their life.

Seeker 1: Yes. She has never gotten angry with anyone or anything anytime, never acting with emotions, always treating everyone equally, revering her husband for whatever he may have done. Always getting up very early and doing her duties wholeheartedly and without any grudge, not getting envy or jealous of anyone, not lazy any time, always very good and works really hard to full satisfaction of everyone – all these characteristics were there.

Seeker 2: All these are certainly divine characteristics of godly people. All our characteristics are certainly determined and tested at the time of death for sure, only based on that one gets a next birth or not in this material universe. If one has leftover desires even subtle, still there is no escape from next birth!

Seeker 2: One should not desire next birth at any cost. This is the biggest blunder because what one gets as the next birth is determined by what one did so far and is not according to one’s own whims and fancies. So somehow one has got to get detached from this material world, though extremely difficult but not impossible.

Seeker 2: That is why maam ekam saranam vraja is the biggest secret, often mentioned by learned authorities as secret of all secrets!

Seeker 1: Yes, I will try my level best.

Seeker 2: Yes, all of us should yearn and strive for that. Performing fruitive activities, going to temple yearning for material rewards or accomplishments etc are useless activities aimed at degradation of the soul. They are all to be considered as mere rituals and hence only leads to bondage. Unless one renounce everything from the bottom of the heart, liberation cannot be attained.

Seeker 1: mam ekam saranam vraja.

Seeker 2: Hare Krishna!

Conversation 064 – Inner Engineering? Part 5 (Conclusion)

Seeker 2: You will not believe another incident that happened in Noida that is purely based out of instinct or something that even I could not comprehend it had happened!

Seeker 2: After that photo and blog post on the spot (People of the Street), I was walking alone towards my PG.

Seeker 2: I noticed another young lady with very small baby in her arms within 100 meters, having nothing to eat except a small half Parle G biscuit packet. And she looked at me, it was almost almost 10 on the night.

Seeker 2: I don’t know what happened to me that time.

Seeker 2: I just emptied the purse, didn’t even know how much money was inside, just gave it to her and walked away. Then casually walked to the nearby ATM withdrew something and went back to my accommodation. I couldn’t believe what I was doing and realised it only after I went back to the PG!

Seeker 2: I don’t think anyone will believe it but I know you will believe it because you are my best friend!

Seeker 2: You know one thing, just like law of conservation of energy, total quantity of natural resources also remains constant. It’s only improper distribution that is the cause of all problems in this world. If only everyone realises what they need and not want more than that there will be no beggars in this world. So, you get the explanation on what you asked and why people want to blame Krishna for their own nonsense?

Seeker 2: This is a big science and just one Upanishad so small that it contains only 18 verses explains everything so clearly. It is called Sri Isopanishad that gives solutions to poverty and unequal distribution of wealth in this world. This is considered to be one of the smallest upanishads but considered most important.

Seeker 2: People are losing out on the real knowledge and living a life like this not knowing what they are doing.

Seeker 2: But I hope you are getting?

Seeker 1: What?

Seeker 2: Yes

Seeker 1: Yep

Seeker 1: Hmm. No now bothers about this at current era / time.

Seeker 2: Path of destruction is inevitable.

Seeker 1: Yes, it’s already known to everyone! But what made you to do that…were you hypnotized/ you felt to give her whatever you have…Was she expecting that from you?

Seeker 2: No, I was not hypnotized or anything. Already I couldn’t give anything to the lady and the baby in that photo. I was staying alone, so many things were going on in my mind that time…was listening in full volume as I was walking, the most favourite songs from pink Floyd (On the turning away from the album A momentary lapse of reason came back to haunt again – the song that gives goosebumps and teleports me every time I listen to it! depicting similar situation – This same song haunted me at 2 in the night just 4 months earlier! (Interpretations to Post 40: Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam – Do check this!)

Seeker 2: I came from the temple after an amazing divine, you can say ecstatic experience…I was walking the entire distance up and down about 4.5 kms one way. The pathway was very lonely at that time of the night…it was just an instant reaction without any explanation.

Seeker 2: The small baby and mother I saw earlier…they were sleeping peaceful in a rugged blanket…it was February, really cold, if I placed the money there, I thought someone will take it. So, I really felt disappointed and went away…

Seeker 2: immediately within 100 meters I noticed another in much worse condition and just did that I didn’t know that I did!

Seeker 1: Hmm.

Seeker 2: When seeing so many people committing suicide these days, are their conditions any worse than these people? That’s the problem with us because of too much material attachment! I thought whatever I had could be able to sustain them for considerable days because of their minimalistic needs and Krishna will surely save them by His own means!

Seeker 1: Hmm!

Concluded

Conversation 063 – Inner Engineering? Part 4

Seeker 2: Coming back to your statement: “If really special mercy is provided by Lord Krishna there won’t be any beggars in this world!” …

Seeker 2: How do you know they are happy or not by being a beggar? Actually, none of us are happy in this material world because all of us are faced with birth, death, old age and disease that is not in our control! If you ask me this question, I would say that it’s all just being satisfied with the self in any situation!

Seeker 1: Hmm this is unexpected thought!

Seeker 2: Hmm. I have been with them, spoken with them. Actually, they look much peaceful than the biggest anxious businessmen or any people who consider themselves affluent! I have observed them in their sleep. Their face looks more serene and less worried than people like us who constantly worry about our families and their future! Yes, People with no homes and no people to call themselves as friends or relatives. No means of earning for any livelihood!

Seeker 1: Oh…

Seeker 1: Yes, I have been with many of them, spent time with them, talked to them to know more about them, got them food, sat with them to make sure they have it, while they share their lives and why they have come to the state. Many have been cheated robbed snatched of their belongings and no place to stay or go back. Almost all are genuine cases!

Seeker 2: I could clearly observe by talking to them thinking they are also human beings like one of us! Just a small breakfast for 25 rupees is enough to earn their blessings for life.

Seeker 2: I don’t mention all these to anyone they would brand me as crazy…That is the nature of this world. So, I am keeping it to myself because Krishna is watching everything. I am not doing anything to gain any punya or merit or something only because we are indebted to nature for being born as a human being, who has the consciousness to achieve higher purpose to life – go beyond birth death old age and disease.

Seeker 2: The higher ideals of life cannot be thought of or put into practice without any expectations or rewards unless it is willed by Krishna on us. That’s why it’s important to be persistent in practice because only through that opportunities come in life to satisfy Krishna and it is these very simple and basic things alone that can satisfy Him, not extravagant display of wealth in the name of putting up shows for devotion.

Seeker 2: He is just satisfied with simple offerings of flower fruit leaf of water with devotion though He has provided us the entire universe for us. People of the Street: This was in Noida returning back from Iskcon temple to PG around 9.30 at night then and there I took the picture and posted into the blog from the mobile.

Seeker 2: How many people got the actual meaning of that message? I don’t know and I can’t care about it because almost everyone is on the grand path to self-destruction!

Seeker 2: I will tell you one incident to show the resilience of such people that we can’t even think about it. One such person I met at the Chennai Central very recently when I have to wait there my train for nearly 3 to 4 hours. Bought some breakfast on my insistence because he was sitting next to me. He was so determined that he didn’t even want to ask!  Came to know these people have amazing persistence to tolerate hunger without showing it openly!

Seeker 2: Can just survive with just drinking water for periods that is beyond our tolerance level before someone can get them some solid food!

Seeker 2: I was really stunned as he was saying that and I also could observe it!

Seeker 2: Just this stanza from Srimad Bhagavatham came to my mind as I was looking at him:

Seeker 2: “My dear King, a self-satisfied person can be happy even with only drinking water. However, one who is driven by the senses, especially by the tongue and genitals, must accept the position of a household dog to satisfy his senses.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 7.15.18

Seeker 2: Sought his blessings having seen in person such a person I have never seen like this before and was wondering how this statement from Srimad Bhagavatham is practically possible in this world and in this age!

Seeker 2: So realised everything mentioned in Srimad Bhagavatham is practically possible and eternally true!

Seeker 1: Wow great! Really man…That’s too much!

Seeker 1: It was amazing. This is really unbelievable.

Seeker 2: Yes indeed! He was simply sitting in one place for hours not getting bored at all.

Seeker 1: They do not feel hunger?

Seeker 2: Came from a nearby village. Don’t know. He was simply sitting, hasn’t eaten anything since previous evening didn’t even brushed his teeth asked me for toothpaste around 11 in the morning and we started talking! He didn’t have any money and so he could not go out anywhere and was saying he will be waiting till 10 in the night when someone will come and see him.

Seeker 2: Was just having one plastic water bottle and no other belongings!

Seeker 1: Who can come and see him?

Seeker 2: Was wondering there are people in the world like this and no one to bother ☹

Seeker 1: Hmm that’s strange, friend!

Seeker 2: He Was trying to claim some money from that person who was supposed to come and see him. He wasn’t sure whether he will come!

Seeker 1: Hmmm

Seeker 1: Then what next?

Seeker 2: No mobile phone nothing to communicate!!!

Seeker 1: How anyone would know where he is? Even if they come, can they find him?

Seeker 2: Go to the railway station or bus stand and you will see and you will have the first-hand experience of these kind of people only if you have the inclination to talk to them!

Seeker 1: Yeah true…Do you think most of them are in blissful state without money and having just water 💦? What did you do to that person?

Seeker 2: Definitely not in a blissful state by his appearance! I got him lunch and tea and was with him till the time for my train. What else I can do?

Seeker 2: And he blessed me. That’s why I love to travel alone. Otherwise I couldn’t do these things.  Krishna is so kind to me. To give these opportunities and also to take it.!

(Continued…)

Conversation 062 – Inner Engineering? Part 3

Seeker 1: I feel one missing with context though I can understand that you are contented within yourself! Isn’t it true??

Seeker 1: Inner controller?? Do you know what it is?? Can you tell if you don’t mind ?? Soul awaken in oneself – means being conscious??

Seeker 2: It’s like starting to tell you everything all over again 😦

Seeker 2: It’s like earning money and being fully involved in that area and its related ways and also being overly involved in spiritual consciousness and awareness 😊 both are totally disconnected ways like parallel lines that do not converge! It’s only cheating oneself if one thinks both can be accomplished together!

Seeker 2: Read this again what Shri Krishna has to say on this if you didn’t read it

Seeker 2: “The Personality of Godhead said: If I especially favor someone, I gradually deprive him of his wealth. Then the relatives and friends of such a poverty-stricken man abandon him. In this way he suffers one distress after another. When he becomes frustrated in his attempts to make money and instead befriends My devotees, I bestow My special mercy upon him. A person who has thus become sober fully realizes the Absolute as the highest truth, the most subtle and perfect manifestation of spirit, the transcendental existence without end. In this way realizing that the Supreme Truth is the foundation of his own existence, he is freed from the cycle of material life.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 10.88.8 – 10

Seeker 2: This is what is the higher purpose of life – Not very anxious to earn lot of money and maintain it for our temporary material existence which we are going to lose everything at the point of death! It’s only the spiritual aspects and assets that is gained in this human life that is going to keep up in good stead for this life and the life after…

Seeker 2: If you are unable to get this aspect that means you are covered by illusion but I know you are able to understand this aspect because I am sure you are aware of these concepts since we have discussed these things quite a lot over the years!

Seeker 2: This is not some materialistic sciences like physics chemistry etc., this is metaphysical and can be realised only through practical experiences.

Seeker 2: No matter how much one speaks about it, explains it, writes about it, the listener or the reader just can’t get to it because it’s self-experience and one has to realise it!

Seeker 2: That’s why people like Shankaracharya Ramanujacharya are Shankaracharya Ramanujacharya are and we are we! Sanyasis voluntarily renounce everything for higher purpose.

Seeker 1: Why do you think that way?

Seeker 2: We can only experience their awareness and be awed by it but not so easy to get to that level as we are, because we are struggling with basic aspects of everyday life!

Seeker 1: Why Krishna has to do it? Is it right way of doing it? If really special mercy is provided by Lord Krishna there won’t be any beggars in this world!

Seeker 2: If you are questioning like this, this is only because your mind is so much tuned to the external world and not something that is inside you. This is lower level of awareness!

Seeker 1: Good point – I need your inputs here to take that into my mind. Do you believe mind is yours? Mind does not belong to either body or so called Atma right?

Seeker 2: Nothing is ours!!! This is the main and the most important point!!! Not knowing this properly is the root cause of all the problems.

Seeker 1: Exactly!

Seeker 1: Tell me one thing how Atma gets associated with mind?? What are the pre-conditions that takes into consideration before it gets associated with mind?? We discussed about it earlier too does Atma has mind or not? Do you know the answer for it? Can you tell this here briefly? Agree mind is like a monkey it does all sorts of monkey activities even though you have human mind. So far, I believe Atma will a temporary mind for about a month / year after it departs body then gets into cycle of finding another mind before getting associated with Body… I’m still not sure about what happens to paramatma after Atma leaves body?

Seeker 2: I don’t know any answers on my own. I get answers only from the most authentic source, The Srimad Bhagavatham and Bhagavad Gita. They have the answers to all questions and this is mentioned in these literatures itself and that is the only fact. It’s really a gradual spiritual evolution process.

Seeker 2: The mind is so much conditioned and obstinate because of our life experiences that it gets carried away by all the accumulated nonsense that it actually refuses to take in the actual truth.  That is not your problem because of all the assumption you are saying is based mostly on your readings and understandings from that and from your own life experiences!

Seeker 2: I will come back to the same favourite statement from Srimad Bhagavatham that we keep discussing and talking and how much that is applicable for normal person like us living in conditioned family life. Check this statement again…

Seeker 2: “The brāhmaṇa Jaḍa Bharata said: My dear King, although you are not at all experienced, you are trying to speak like a very experienced man. Consequently, you cannot be considered an experienced person. An experienced person does not speak the way you are speaking about the relationship between a master and a servant or about material pains and pleasures. These are simply external activities. Any advanced, experienced man, considering the Absolute Truth, does not talk in this way.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 5.11.1

Seeker 1: Hahaha…yes, you got it 👍 This is our favourite quote ever! 😃

Seeker 2: What you are speaking and your mindset is also approximately very similar unfortunately, but that can be eradicated only through right knowledge and dedicated to learning that knowledge and living a life that way!

Seeker 2: I tell you one more thing that is mentioned at the end of all the teachings to King Rahugana on this knowledge, how difficult it is to pursue it, but how rewarding it is in the end…

Seeker 2: “Having summarized the teachings of Jaḍa Bharata, Śukadeva Gosvāmī said: My dear King Parīkṣit, the path indicated by Jaḍa Bharata is like the path followed by Garuḍa, the carrier of the Lord, and ordinary kings are just like flies. Flies cannot follow the path of Garuḍa, and to date none of the great kings and victorious leaders could follow this path of devotional service, not even mentally.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 5.14.42.

Seeker 2: Isn’t this amazing? And how true???

Seeker 1: Yeah got it!

Seeker 2: 👍

(Continued…)

Conversation 061 – Inner Engineering? Part 2

Seeker 1: Prayers to Priya Krishna on his birthday. What you are trying to do? Pray / Burst out / Trying to speak with him?

Seeker 2: Sometimes I even do that because nobody listens to me on these things ☹

Seeker 1: I can’t read fully…have you stopped intentionally?

Seeker 2: No, I concluded it. I was only a short prayer.

Seeker 2: Coming back to our previous conversation, that’s why I keep saying everything depends on diet, prayers, fasting on Ekadashis, listening, readings etc over prolonged periods of time changes the constituents of the mind and body for sure.

Seeker 2: These things are very difficult to explain and can be realised only when one puts the body and mind and stresses it to a very great extent.

Seeker 2: This is really a gradual process.

Seeker 2: Persistence can happen only because of Krishna’s grace.

Seeker 2: His presence is really there I strongly believe it and observe it. It’s very subtle and unable to describe it in words. If you want to gain something even minutely materialistic for your own satisfaction, you are lost!  Because He give more than what you deserve without even asking for it is pretty petty to ask for materialistic prosperity in any terms!

Seeker 2: All these may sound like a mad man speaking but you know, there are only two categories of people who can be really happy in this world… the insane who are totally unaware of the surroundings and the spiritually realised who are aware of everything!

Seeker 2: It’s only the in between like us who are facing horrible situations and suffering because this concept of I and mine dominate with only these kinds of people that is the cause of all misery!

Seeker 2: This is the summary of both Gita and Bhagavatham.

Seeker 2: If you understand this much and take it to you, you will start to understand everything slowly! Yes I did had experiences that are hard to explain but I make sure no one else is around for sure during these times because I don’t want to prove again and again that I am manic😛

Seeker 2: See this!

Seeker 2: “The Personality of Godhead said: If I especially favor someone, I gradually deprive him of his wealth. Then the relatives and friends of such a poverty-stricken man abandon him. In this way he suffers one distress after another. When he becomes frustrated in his attempts to make money and instead befriends My devotees, I bestow My special mercy upon him. A person who has thus become sober fully realizes the Absolute as the highest truth, the most subtle and perfect manifestation of spirit, the transcendental existence without end. In this way realizing that the Supreme Truth is the foundation of his own existence, he is freed from the cycle of material life.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 10.88.8 – 10

Seeker 2: Below is another important verse!

Seeker 2: “A person who is not self-controlled will not be happy even with possessing the three worlds. Material existence causes discontent in regard to fulfilling one’s lusty desires and achieving more and more money. This is the cause for the continuation of material life, which is full of repeated birth and death. But one who is satisfied by that which is obtained by destiny is fit for liberation from this material existence.” Srimad Bhagavatham 8.19.25

Seeker 1: You earlier said this process is a long term or a gradual change – How long approximately? I 100% believe Krishna is there. I agree but materialistic things are needed for yourself when you get old and for your family. If you have something enough for that you don’t even think about it…

Seeker 1: Is that realisation going to happen soon or after our sufferings? True. This is something I’m not liking in this process. Why one has to leave family and friends and one has to suffer to understand the absolute truth? Why can’t one understand this having wealth??

Seeker 1: If you are able to manage your mind this can also be managed to not to get distracted with materialistic word and focus on absolute truth. Isn’t it? Do you agree or not??

Seeker 2: If It’s persistence and extremely sincere devotion towards Krishna, then realisation can happen anytime! At that stage, you no longer notice any difference between suffering and happiness and you will realise these are only the dual nature of materialistic existence!

Seeker 2: I don’t believe that it is in one’s hands. Krishna will take full care of who is fully surrendered to Him. If one starts to think I can do it myself, that’s where all the trouble starts because this is obviously not possible!

Seeker 2: It’s not leaving anyone it’s living with anyone without having too much attachment or dependence on anyone.

Seeker 2: Wealth will impede the process. This is not going to happen because of the energy of Maya and illusion that acts strongly and we will get carried away by that!

Seeker 2: All answers to your questions are right here!!!! – Bali Mahārāja Surrenders His Life

Seeker 1: That means you have not managed your mind well…or one don’t know how to manage their mind!!!

Seeker 2: How can you say that or what is making you say that? You kindly read this one chapter properly and come back to me if you have any questions.

Seeker 2: If you don’t get to read either Bhagavad Gita or Srimad Bhagavatham you will not be able to comprehend how much ever in detail I try to answer these types of questions. it’s only waste of time and effort from both of our sides. Answers can be given and discussed only in reference to various contexts mentioned at various places in them.

Seeker 2: That’s why I said if the body and mind get “conditioned” due to various improper habits, abstinence and purification because of that is required to bring the mind under control so as to assimilate higher thoughts and ideals!

Seeker 2: Mainly 4 things mentioned in Shrimad Bhagavatham are the cause of degradation of soul – Intoxication, Meat eating, Gambling and Inappropriate sex habits.

Seeker 2: Even one of them is sufficient to continue for one to be in a state of various thoughts you have been describing today that makes it more and more impossible to realise the higher purpose of life.

Seeker 2: I am not meant to discourage you if you may be having any of these four habits, the natural process of spiritual realisation hinders that. That cannot be denied because this is according to the most primary and most valued scriptures Bhagavad Gita and Bhagavatham.

Seeker 2: Continuous study of these scriptures and practice in day-to-day life for realising absolute truth through the gained knowledge with renewed rigour often leads to testing situations as well as discouragement from people around but since this is a personal experience, one gets indescribable satisfaction within the self.

Seeker 2: The person will look like a fool to the external world often ridiculed as someone who doesn’t live with the tide and adapt to situations to earn money etc. It’s not his fault because his consciousness gets purified to listen to the inner controller within himself and invoked by Krishna’s grace through Srimad Bhagavatham and Bhagavad Gita.

Seeker 2: Nothing else can invoke that within us because it is fully inside and covered by false ego and can be listened to only if our soul is awakened and our intelligence is directed inward to listen to these instructions. The answers that is all there in Srimad Bhagavatham and Bhagavad Gita will be automatically realised then!

(Continued…)