Conversation 045 – People’s mind set (Contd.)

Seeker 2:

Why is BJP and NDA not able to win even a single seat in Kerala and Tamilnadu despite having a great success in the North India in 2019 election? Remember our conversation past midnight that day and relate to it 🙂

Remember our conversation past midnight that day and relate to it 🙂

Seeker 1: These guys have nailed it beautifully!

Seeker 2: Yes, I tried to explain that to you for 2 hours (rofl), the conversation that started past midnight, the other day 😦

Seeker 1: I never denied that. I only put forward the hope that with proper guidance things can change. Change is inevitable.

Seeker 2: I understand that but it takes time and that’s not in the hands of anyone.

Seeker 1: God’s wish in everything 🙂 and this analogy 🙂

Seeker 2: Thank you very much…actually God didn’t send us to the Earth in the first place! Earth is just a temporary sojourn for the living entity to go back to God. Living entities were already existing for yugas or epoch. This is according to Srimad Bhagavatham.

Seeker 2: During annihilation, all beings enter into the body of the universal form of the Lord and during creation, they are recreated back according to their karma. This is a perpetual cycle.

Seeker 2: Bhagavad Gita is a summary or final conclusions of The Upanishads expressed in esoteric terms. It doesn’t go with clear cut explanations and scenarios, because it has only 700 shlokas while Srimad Bhagavatham is a massive treatise of 18000 shlokas/verses.

Seeker 2: You know this…the soul is eternal…the body is perishable having made of material elements…that themselves are creatable and destroyable…

O King, in all circumstances, whether you consider the soul to be an eternal principle, or the material body to be perishable, or everything to exist in the impersonal Absolute Truth, or everything to be an inexplicable combination of matter and spirit, feelings of separation are due only to illusory affection and nothing more.” – Srimad Bhagavatham – 1.13.44

Those who have full knowledge of self-realization, who know very well that the spirit soul is eternal whereas the body is perishable, are not overwhelmed by lamentation. But persons who lack knowledge of self-realization certainly lament. Therefore it is difficult to educate a person in illusion.” – Srimad Bhagavatham – 7.2.49

Seeker 2: These guys are trying to make common people understand who cannot think beyond a certain level, at least to ensure that they live proper lives using the knowledge, but that is never going to happen. The world starting from the mother’s womb to the graveyard just stinks!

Seeker 2: Everything is subject to refinement of one’s character to align with how nature works, how creation works, how maintenance works, how annihilation works.

Seeker 2: The modern man is incapable of comprehending these things even to extent of 0.000……1% because of the pollution accumulated over the ages … in mind, in thought, in deeds, in  actions, in habits, in virtues…everyone is just trying out mundane explanations to convince themselves and others but not putting into practice what they preach.

Seeker 2: It’s not easy to change the world around unless people think on these lines…and this is never going to happen…because it all start with one’s food habits…when that itself is a big zero what can you expect?

Seeker 1: Our Guru never went into Srimad Bhagavatham. He used to focus on mainly on The Upanishads and sometime Bhagavad Gita. Some people say that Gita is so deep that you can’t get its meaning easily as many of these shlokas have multiple hidden meanings for one who’s really thinking in depth about them.

Seeker 2: Yes, Guru is very much right and real Gurus are always right! but Srimad Bhagavatham is very direct and is the ripened mature fruit of Vedic literature when Ved Vyasa was fully realised on Narada Muni’s instructions, so as to communicate to what the common man in the dark age of Kali could comprehend.

Seeker 2: Gita is the cream of Vedanta or Veda-anta i.e. literatures…Upanishads by itself are more esoteric and to say the cream of the Upanishads is packed in 700 shlokas, it has got to be very deep that only realised persons can understood it to a “certain” extent! So many people have tried to interpret it…and so many mis-interpretations!!!

Seeker 1: True, got your point. That is what I was hearing today. The tacit knowledge of the Guru needs to be explicitly put into easily understandable form for common people. That is what Srimad Bhagavatham is achieving,

Seeker 1: In Bhagavad Gita, knowledge was given to Arjuna by Lord Shri Krishna to relieve his confusion. Similarly, what is the setting of Srimad Bhagavatham?

Seeker 2: When Maharaja Parikshit, a great saintly king, the grandson of Arjuna and an utmost devotee of Lord Krishna was about to die in 7 seven days due to snake bite because of a curse by the son (Shringi) of the great sage, Samika, he at once quit his family life to do fast unto death. Sukhdev Goswami, son of Maharishi Ved Vyasa, having learnt Srimad Bhagavatham from his father narrates it in entirety during these 7 days. Maharaja Parikishit realises the absolute truth and attains the supreme perfection.

Seeker 1: Ahh! I see

Seeker 2: In these 7 days he didn’t even drink water, what to think of food and listened with rapt attention to Sukhdev Goswami. The many questions he asked during this time and the answers Ved Vyasa’s son gave is the subject matter of Srimad Bhagavatham.

This makes me think of this passage:

My dear King, a self-satisfied person can be happy even with only drinking water. However, one who is driven by the senses, especially by the tongue and genitals, must accept the position of a household dog to satisfy his senses.” – Srimad Bhagavatham – 7.15.18

Seeker 1: I see. There’s mention of Krishna’s life in this also. RIght?

Seeker 2: Yes, that’s is the climax and the crux of Srimad Bhagavatham! The entire 10th canto is devoted to this and this is almost one-fourth of the entire Srimad Bhagavatham!

Seeker 1: I remember hearing that a bit!

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Author: Rajini

"Knowledge is the ultimate perfection of self-realization.". (Srimad Bhagavatham 3.26.2) Trying to seek that knowledge through life experiences that leads to compassion, dispassion and ultimately satisfaction.

4 thoughts on “Conversation 045 – People’s mind set (Contd.)”

  1. Gita, Ramayana, most scriptures teach us how to live – philosophy, rules and the Bhagavatam – how to die. Isn’t that the only thing that is sure in our life? Feel so blessed to read about Srimad Bhagavatam. Sri Krishna Paramatma ki Jai! 🙂

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    1. Hare Krishna! Thank you very much for writing. Actually all scriptures us teach us both for both are all inclusive. Death is as sure as Life…Life is as sure as Death…We are apprehensive about death because we are not sure where it is leading to…but with birth we “think” we know something. about it 🙂 ..something only because of the biological processes that we “think” we are aware of…but actually we fail miserably even in this aspect…because we are totally unsure of from which womb we were/are or from which womb we are taking current birth or in which will be taking future birth. (if at all(..when and why that birth itself happens.

      The same is said in one of Naalayiram (4000) Divya Prabhandham Pasurams or Tamil Veda you must be aware of, on killing of Putana…by cutting off that very bonds..the first ever bond between a mother and a child..that suckling of milk that creates all bonds…that first bond of attachment will be cut if one listen to and comprehends the principle behind the first ever demon that Krishna killed…first break off that bond if you want to come out of this perpetual cycle. it says something like this…”you don’t have to drink any more milk (from any mother) if you listen to the killing of putana with earnest devotion”…all subsequent demons/asuras killed by Krishna also signifies to cutoff/detach from each aspects of attachments that binds us perpertually to this material world..your question is really so deep to comprehend and i pray i could answer to the best of my limited ability…Hare Krishna!

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      1. Wow! Thank you for taking the time to explain all this – really have to contemplate what you have written here. The example of Putana and inner meaning is really astounding. Feel blessed to learn about this — Lord Krishna’s blessing! Thank YOU! Hare Krishna

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