Conversation 054 – The Sisumara Planetary Systems

This conversation is inspired from my post titled Magnificence of Srimad Bhagavatham with an amazing seeker that I have ever come across in my infinitesimal spiritual journey so far.

The topic of discussion is primarily on Canto 5: Chapter 23 – The Śiśumāra Planetary Systems of Srimad Bhagavatham.

This has opened both of us to reveal our latent understandings of this magnificent scripture.

Here it is:

Seeker 1: Bhagavatham is one of the grand keys to open the Pandora of Puranas. Have you really read/gone through the scripture? Just curious. Because, the chapters on. Sisumara chakra (tortoise back), Kapila and Devahuti discussions, Vidura and Maitreya discussions, etc are filled with many interesting points. In fact, the metamorphosis of Life from Mineral, Plant and human kingdoms is very secretively given in this Purana. The Darwin’s theory of material evolution forms a subset of our grand theory of evolution of soul. Also, can you give me the sources of your knowledge that will give me a hint as to what line of thought influenced your writings? It helps me to tailor my comments in best way possible, if I am aware of that source of course! Anyway, I will be reading other articles of yours.

Seeker 2: Thank you very much for this valuable insight. Bhagavatham is the key to my life since 2011 🙂 it continues to inspire for lifetimes of learning. Sisumara chakra is dolphin. The symmetrical arrangements of 27 stars on both sides, the arrangement of various other planets and luminaries…

Tortoise or kurma avatar comes in the 8th canto during churning of ocean by demigods and demons for nectar…

There are so many topics in Bhagavatham that are so subtle…

for example Hiranyakashipu’s sermon to his mother Diti and Hiranyaksha’s wife Kayadhu on the nature of the soul when they were lamenting for Hiranyaksha’s death at the hands of Lord Varaha,

the story of the king of Ushinara kingdom and Lord Yama in the form of small boy instructing on the illusions about death and material relationships,

the Hamsa Guhya prayers by Prajapathi Daksha for creating progeny through the womb of his wife Pāñcajanī,

the story of King Chitraketu and his small son teaching the philosophy of the soul through the dhristi of sage narada and angira after re-entering the dead body,

the story of King Anga and King Vena,

the most important story told to prachinabaari on puranjana by sage narada on transmigration of soul,

song sung by lord shiva to the prachetas,

the narayana kavacha for killing vritrasura,

the story of jada bharath,

the enigmatic comparisons meted out to son of Daksha – Haryaśvas and Savalāśvas by narada for their renunciation from material life,

the bhumi gita, the uddhava gita, the aila gita (part of Uddhava Gita),

the gopi gita on the prayers of their separation with lord krishna,

the story of various incarnations,

the teachings of the sages at kurukshetra,

the chatur sloki bhagavatham on the absolute truth,

the concept of absolute time,

the dimensions of universe,

the concepts of creation, annihilation and dissolutions,

the three modes of material nature,

the various types of Mayas of the supreme lord,

the prayers by vidura, akrura, chitaketu and the demigods at several times and several situations,

instructions by nine yogendras to king nimi,

the lilas of krishna in 10th canto. etc.

I just mention whatever that comes straight out of my mind. there is much much more direct as well as subtler aspects. I mean Bhagavatham is more than everything to me…and it is the driving force in my life 🙂

Seeker 1: Sisumara is Tortoise and kurma is turtle (both have a difference), just a humble correction. I can see your immersive joy in Bhagavatam. This is the intended purpose of outcome of Bhagavatam by Vyasa. You are blessed. A continuous effort on knowing and being with something is called Dharanaa and this reveals many secrets that cannot be understood by normal read. Since 2011 implies your deep constant connection with it and so the unfoldment of wisdom like a lotus flower.

Seeker 2: Thank you so much…I would do more exhaustive study on Srimad Bhagavatham than anything else for the rest of my life if given a chance 🙂

https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/5/23/4/  – The Sisumara Planetary Systems – “This great machine, consisting of the stars and planets, resembles the form of a śiśumāra [dolphin] in the water. It is sometimes considered an incarnation of Kṛṣṇa, Vāsudeva. Great yogīs meditate upon Vāsudeva in this form because it is actually visible.”

The form could also be interpreted as a tortoise as you have been mentioning.as mentioned in this link:

https://dictionary.babylon-software.com/sisumara/  – “a group of stars and constellations said to resemble a dolphin, porpoise, or tortoise; held to be a form of Vishnu, and often considered as a representation of the great circle of time. As an imaginary belt, a symbolic representation of the celestial sphere, or a theoretical revolving zone or belt within which move the celestial bodies — which are the bodies of spiritual entities.

More information here: http://www.decodinghinduism.com/search/label/sisumara%20planetary%20system

This is another link – http://www.kamakoti.org/kamakoti/details/bhagvatpurana24.html  – (not related to ISKCON 🙂 ) – Sisumara Planetary System.

– “Some 13,00,000 yojanas ( 10,400,000 miles) above the ‘Great Bear’ shines high the Pole Star and the‘Sisumara System’ or the Great Machine, comprising the Stars and Planets, resembling a Dolphin in water.

Anyways it’s an aquatic with the arrangement of the various celestial bodies at various places and varied interpretations through various sources always results in ambiguity  😦 but what we require is the right conclusion and the form doesn’t matter 🙂

I hope this provides some clarification.

Seeker 1: There is a difference between exoteric and esoteric approach of Scriptures. A symbol is unique and very special association of spiritual and mundane aspects. I respect the links and info you sent. But, the truth of it lies in “Why” of the reasoning. The form is important, for it encompasses the subtle aspects that cannot be grasped on first sight. A dolphin is no symbol for Sisumara because, it’s back is smooth. The Tortoise back has divisions and a symmetry of arrangement of scales. This symmetry is mapped to the upper dome of visible skies (mahaakaasa) and inner dome of psychic skies (chittaakaasa). Also, the reference point from where all the measurements given in Bhagavatam are made, is not our solar system or our galaxy, but a far of star, in which is one of the 7 evolved solar systems (out of 12 – hint: Dvaadasa Aadityas).

But one should ask, why speak of these magnitudes in a scripture whose sole goal was divine romance? One of reasons is the internal mapping of external Universe – called “Yay Pinde Tat Brahmaande – As above so below”. Without this, one is left with mere glamour of vastness of scripture without applicability. And for this reason, turtle is used to suggest the role of Vishnu in preserving the secrets of Visible and invisible cosmos.

Another point is, the exoteric astrologists and astronomers think that the zodiac we are given the names of Ram, Bull, etc., for the shapes they resemble. This is absurd. The same reasoning I saw in above links when they said “resemble dolphin”. No group of stars or constellation resemble any living being. It is the effects produced that resulted in their esoteric symbolical name. For example, if you refer to T.Subbarow’s essay on Zodiac, you will know how the constellation Leo or Simha got its name. Simha does not mean lion, bit in one of its derivative forms implies lion, in Sanskrit. Same with Aswa. So, unless the effects are perceived, it’s futile to understand visible arrangement as particular being. I hope you understand the roots off the approach. Exoteric helps you up to certain extent. But true esoteric intuition from within tales you and helps you cross the ocean of mysticism.

Seeker 2: I can clearly observe your analytical brain to put forth logical arguments at the drop of a hat. Tortoise is used to a great effect in Bhagavad Gita’s second chapter as well as to how to withdraw our senses and keep it under control. Vishnu or Rishikesha is master of senses and sense control and so it is for a big reason to specify tortoise and give so much importance to it.

Bhagavatham says there are millions and millions of universes floating in the causal ocean and virata rupa is associated with each one of them…Lord Brahma is associated with each one of them…the arrangement of 14 planetary systems is associated with each of them…and so on…

Likewise each living organism itself is a universe with a microcosmic arrangement with the equivalent arrangement of planetary systems. the part from the waist is considered asoucha or impure and it is where the lower 7 planetary systems starting from atala to patala are situated…and then similarly we move upwards from bhur loka towards the top of the head which is satyaloka where the supreme consciousness and the control system or brain centre is located.

This body is a temple and the heart is the altar where the deity of supreme God resides. When we abuse the body mind and soul with impure food impure thoughts and impure actions the entire universe (our body) is polluted and similarly the entire physical universe is polluted in that way as we try to dominate the material nature rampantly! Material Universe has its own process to circulate itself in the form of eternal time through yuga cycles but this material body decays and the soul just keep transmigrating from body to body having failed to realise the ultimate purpose of life.

Seeker 1🙂 Let’s reserve this for our later topic – conversation: “The mysteries of multiverse and monoverse in scripture”. The comment section will be bloated with incoherent comments (when we look back in future).

Seeker 2: To conclude for now :), my last comment is in connection with the virata rupa or the universal form of the Supreme Lord floating in the waters causal ocean – the concept of Nara – Naarayaana – in a particular shape equating In the form of an aquatic organism like dolphin or tortoise or porpoise (or whale (dolphin is an evolved sub-species of whale) etc.) existing in the real world for us to perceive the universal form of the Lord and the various entities in the universe situated at various points in the body to initiate us in our spiritual realisation/meditation process to conclude that there is nothing beyond this in the material world. This is just to summarise the entire universal process. It is the first stage of God realisations as we look at things externally. Then we start to look at the Paramaatma or the Super soul residing internally in our own heart as the first intuitive spiritual guru. The final stage is the realization of the Absolute Truth as the Bhagawan or The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Shri Krishna as a reservoir of the 64 transcendental qualities in full opulence. (https://mykrishnaourkrishna.blogspot.com/2016/11/krishnas-transcendental-qualities.html). This transcedental realisation enables us to be in full communion or in union with the Supreme!

Author: Rajini

"Knowledge is the ultimate perfection of self-realization.". (Srimad Bhagavatham 3.26.2) Trying to seek that knowledge through life experiences that leads to compassion, dispassion and ultimately satisfaction.

53 thoughts on “Conversation 054 – The Sisumara Planetary Systems”

  1. On topic 54 …. Both seekers are at the best of interlogue… It is complete interactions between the individual soul who takes a form of “universal” body and that of entire cosmos, universes of universes is clearly brought out by the great sage vyasa. To enjoy bhagawathan , as a matter of fact, any Vedic Scriptures and siddars’ writings, we have to drown deepest of bhagawatham etc. A separate faculty and unique flavour of mental enjoyment is necessary to clearly understand the concepts and wholesome of bhagawatham, Bhagavad-Gita etc. The More and the More often we swim in the ocean of bhagawatham, the more we get enlightenment and much more fresh and new enlightenment. By interaction and conversation with knowledgeables of this great real scripture, we get the Bliss!!! Best of luck for such more!!!

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  2. Haha this is very interesting. The seeker seems to be akin to me 😛😛.
    Now, in the last paragh, you write Naarayana and a mention of acquatic beings. You know why acquatic beings were used in that situation of mythology? In fact, the story of varaaha avatars, it was told that Earth was his in waters. What do you deduce from that story without hurting the sensual logic? It’s a vast topic and your answer would open to a new set of conversation. The clue I give is in the name of Naarayana. 😊😊

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    1. Yes sure this is a big topic of discussion…if i start it at this point of time i will fully immerse myself in it (i mean in the waters or nara, no pun intended 🙂 ) like Markendaya when he prayed to see the illusory energy of Lord Naaraayana only to be immersed in the waters of devastation for millions of eons to reach to a banyan tree where he saw Baby Lord Shri Krishna licking His own right foot thumb, to be drawn into the breath of the baby to witness the entire universes under His abdomen only to thrown away by the Baby’s breath and back again to his own hermitage and realise that everything is just an illusion! 🙂

      P.S: the Varaha saga is the biggest point of interest to me in the entire Srimad Bhagavatham 🙂 and the use of the word mythology doesn’t appeal to me when we all realise that these are facts and plain realisations of the Absolute Truths and not just Myths in the mere sense of the word as the westerners or our own deluded Indians think!

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      1. leave the definition of myth as un-truth to others. In English, when not using Purāṇa, I have to use Mythology, assuming it takes the place of Purāṇa. I know English lacks the refined vocabulary as Sanskrit (or Pāḷi). So, lets fix from now on that my English usage will be intended to be as close to Sanskrit as possible.

        Haha … I know right! its very interesting and deep topic. But the use of “aquatic” as translation to ” waters of space” gives all kinds of misunderstandings as dolphins or whales :P. Vēda used a set of symbols far superior to Purāṇa, but the superiority lies in the direct appeal to “Budhhi”. Purāṇa is intended for a common man and hence the symbols of Purāṇa are more common to what we see around. Example: Vēda considers symbols like “Aṃgīrasa” which would literally imply a sage or juice of an organ in literal sensne but when decoded will closely explain the secretions of “glands” and the “feel/experience” that we get as ” Sōma Rasa”. Hence Aṃgīrasa and Sōma has close relation in Vēda.

        But Purāṇa considers more widely used/seen symbols like Water, Tortise, Boar, Horse, Plough, Scissors, tuft of hairs, etc. This allows for a easy comprehension.

        Example: Here lets take the usage of “aqua/waters”. Lord Nārāyaṇa = Nāra + Ayana = Lord of movement of waters. But what are these waters? These are waters of life. Where do they exist? That which we call “vacuum” is filled with these waters. How do I/we know this? Can I substantiate from Purāṇa? YES. The symbol of Varāha lifting up of Earth from Waters (where logic says, if no Earth, where are the waters?) imply the creation of material world from the depths of fluidic space-time matrix. With what did he lift the Earth? two white TEETH/TUSKS. What is his color? BLACK. So, between and surrounding tusks is teh dark fluid of NĀRA and his TEETH is the LIGHT which brought forth the material existence from the AQUA/WATER. Now, you see why I asked you about why/when they use “WATER” beings? 🙂

        More to be discussed. Still waiting for your start of edit on google-doc

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        1. Your writings and knowledge are opening to a wealth of knowledge for me, otherwise I was mostly living in a world of vacuum all these years 😦 please check the doc o did started with some thing and let me know if you find anything there 🙂

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            1. Yes the cliue lies in the fact that water is the fourth element in the order of creation of the five material elements and is the acculturation of the attributes of the three preceding elements ether air and fire and with its own property of earth and holding the fifth element earth only for the asuras or dominators of the earth to claim that it is their property.lord varaha lifting it up from the nether waters and assigning it to “more saner beings” for their sustenance!

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              1. When the water in the form of material elements has these great properties what to think of the waters or Nara that emanated from the perspiration of the Supreme Lord, Lord Shriman Naaraayanaa?

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                1. Well pointed. Every physical element we perceive including teh semi-perceived SPACE/TIME, has a spiritual counter part to which this i sthe seventh derivative. The Sapta-Sapti rule applies to all creation. Eg: Fire element is seven in its divisions and the fire we see is the sevent form of manifestation. Electricity is another form of fire but not teh physical fire – Its called Vidyut. Similarly, Nāra implies all the 7 categories of waters. An dyou are true in stating why 70% of Earth is Waters and so our bodies too. Can you now see, the “As above-SO below” concept here!! Its wonder isn’t it!

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                  1. As i was mentioning earlier about the importance of numbers in Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam , particularly the significance of the number seven i was to mention.

                    Sahasraarchih Sapta-jihvah Saptaidhaah Sapta-Vaahanah |
                    Sahasraarchih refers to the Sun that radiates countless rays to illuminate the whole globe.
                    Your mention of fire comes here – Sapta-jihvah Saptaidhaah – fire god with seven tongues or seven tongues of flame (Saptajihvah) and Saptaidhah – the seven flames that form themselves when fuel(clarified butter or ghee) is added to worship the god of fire while performing yagna with vedic mantras.
                    Sapta-Vaahanah glorifies Sun as God of fire illuminating the whole universe with His rays and Who has seven Vaahanas / means of transportation as horses for his riding in the zodiac in the outer space!

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              2. Who are asurās? Where were they? Were they existing before the Varāha? If so, why were they created at all by the LORD who existed before Varāha?
                The moment we use a word, we need to know more on it. I hope I am not overstepping my freedom to comment by asking questions here. I tend to go deep in these subjects. So let me know where to stop and we can take those topics to our google-doc discussions.

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                1. Sure this is the inquisitiveness expected of a true seeker like yourself. I am on the preparation of the entire list of only the questions that were asked in srimad Bhagavatham by the various spirited souls. yes it is very important to dive deeper into it and delve on it at a more deeper as well as subtler aspects. That’s why I keep mentioning, given a chance I will just leave everything and just deal with this for the remainder of my life 🙂 unfortunately or fortunately I am also bound by constraints just like all of us. It’s only the instructions of lord Brahma to king Priyavrata at the beginning of the fifth Canto that is keeping me afloat in this otherwise deluding aspects of family life 🙂 as a seeker myself and the very purpose of my blog it’s questioning and counter questioning and trying to seek answers together on the line of as to how the upanishadic thoughts were arrived at, though our times were different, those times were different but the thought process and the problems of life continue to remain constant and the answers continue to elude us despite our attempts to pursue it with our imperfect senses!

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                2. Yes you are very much right I think we should carry these public conversations to a private domain to something like Google docs etc that you have been mentioning to discuss more deeper and refine it by further edits and can bring it to our blogs at a later point of time when we feel it’s sufficient with the particular topic of discussion. Some of these comments going back and forth might tend to look superfluous to some people diluting our intentions since this is a public space 🙂

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                3. Lord Naarayana or Lord Vishnu is the Original and the first living being existing even before the existence of this cosmos or the first created being Lord Brahma! He is the original spirit soul and you know that the spirit soul is an eternal particle and anything other than it is material or perishable, even if it is Lord Brahma who has the supreme life span, he is also afraid of death and is subject to the laws of material universe even though he is in the highest abode of the 14 planetary systems or Satyaloka.

                  Material universe is a pair of opposites or a dual substance as you can say and it is always in a relative realm. Only the spiritual universe or Vaikuntas, the abode of Lord Vishnu/Lord Naarayana is an absolute realm with no concepts of duality in time or space and is the place of fully realised surrendered souls under the constant and mutual service of Lord Naarayana.

                  The vivid descriptions of Vaikunta is described here and these are the topics of worthy discussion:Description of the Kingdom of God – https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/3/15/.

                  Jaya and Vijaya are the doorkeepers of Lord Vishnu and as such they are sinless souls, as you would expect them to be. They are ordained to be cursed by the mother earth or Goddess Lakshmi Herself for the pastimes of Lord Naarayanaa, enacted through the mind-born sons of Lord Brahma Sanaka, Sanandha, Sanatana and Sanatkumara. The details are all there in the 3rd Canto Chapters 12-19.

                  As such, asuras are a class of living beings who are extremely passionate or in rajas mode, created during the evening twilight hours by Lord Brahma which is considered inauspicious for doing anything other than auspicious religious activities because of the pre-dominant activities of Lord Rudra during that time(that’s why, the concept of tri-kala sandhyavandhana worship of the sun and veda-maatha Gayatri to counteract this and pacify Lord Rudra) as even time is governed by the mode of material nature and appropriate acts are to be performed only at the appropriate time.

                  Asuras were existing at all points in the yuga cycle along with other created beings. Matsya or fish incarnation was before Varaha and Lord Vishnu as Matsya killed the asura or demon Hayagriva to restore the Vedas that this demon stole from Lord Brahma while the process of pralaya was taking place and Lord Brahma was worried about the next creation process after he lost the Vedas to this asura!

                  Asuras are as such a class of beings with predominance of the base modes of material nature – rajas and tamas. They have no discrimination of right/wrong or knowledge of reality, practising atheism/pseudo religion principles, they have strong sense of the bodily concepts of life – I/mine/material possessions there of – predomination of the mode of false ego that deludes the mind.

                  They actually need not have powerful bodily features and physical dominance as described in the Puranas/Ithihasas. the strong passion to lord it over material nature with a strong sense of duality, superiority, cunningness and crookedness in exploiting any living creature to one’s own advantage is enough to classify one as a asura or demon!

                  You may note the significance of the word Kripanah in these regard as i depicted these class of beings:

                  Conversation 005: Krpanah: https://rajinikanthv.wordpress.com/2018/03/13/conversation-005-krpanah/

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                    1. Yes indeed remembering ANCs or all night cafeteria and hot chaai and mouth watering hot Maggie of various flavours plain paneer etc 😉 and the all night latcha sessions under the cool moonlight and the desert starting hardly a km away… sometimes packing off for the desert walk 🙂 those were the days of our lives 🙂

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                  1. Let me write in accordance to the paraghs you wrote:
                    1) Because you are vesting so much time in Bhagavata and scriptural decoding, let me at start suggest a point related to nomenclature. Vishnu or Narayana are secondary existences. The primary existence, in same Purana(s) are named in three ways: Sadaa Siva, Sri Maha Vishnu and Para Brahma ( or vedantic Brahman). Remember me saying how symbols pack million ton weight of concepts? The same is true with names. One can not afford to loosely use, for example “Vishnu” in both the way of Omnipresence as well as lord of lords at same time. (An example is the creation of Vishnu at feet of Viraat purusha). The on in Vaikuntha is Sri Maha Vishnu ( Sri – Power aspect, Vishnu- Purusha aspect and Maha- The grand Union aspect — all together). Now, what ever you stated later on primary particle, base of 14lokas, Brahmas fear, etc etc follow naturally and aptly!!

                    2) When there is no duality, how can another soul exist in service of the lord? I need you to think this more. Of his abode is a non dual existence, can there be anything/anyone other than himself? Can at least his thought exist? If yes, then what ever plane you are describing, is for sure not a NonDual plane, but a secondary and tertiary planes created from primary that we spoke of.

                    3) ——

                    4) I know the story and it packs some nice points for future discussions.

                    5) a) Asura = a + Sura = Those who are not good. This is general meaning and that which you said aptly suits. But there is another import and a secretive in nature:
                    b) Asura = Asu + Ra; Asu means breath and Ra means expression ( the root of rigveda or trill of a vocal utterance). So they are those emanations of Lord who express his breath outward. That means, they are the materialising agents who help in formation of this mundane creation. So they are not bad, but a polar opposite to the devas who help the material universe recede back into background. So, Asuras are not bad living beings but Angels of materialisation. In that sense, they embody all the qualities you mentioned, but only in that sense.

                    c) Time rules material worlds and not other way round. That is why we have first a Kala Purusha and then a Vastu Purusha, not other way round. Just a point to contemplate on. But you right stated the last line that right time is necessary for every act. This is one of the imp points of Jyoutisham.

                    6) I need more space for this. Next time may be

                    7)My earlier point suffices here and your expression is apt and sound except the outlook that they are bad. Instead, look at it as they are the lord’s externalising agents. You see, the whole point of Brahma creating the manasaputras was to beg them to create universe. Finally when created, the created Universe begs his lordship to take and dissolve in him. This is the play between opposite polarities of ONE Magnet – As symbolised in Ksheera Sahara Mathana.

                    I will look at the link and comeback. 🙂

                    You are on balanced tracks!!

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                    1. Need so much to take in and digest so many thoughts that are flowing from you in such short spans of time. It’s the subtle differences in concepts of Jiva paramatma entities material nature etc across the various Vaishnava sampradaya various vedantic schools the overlapping in the understanding and the mixing of various schools of thought because of various readings that is cause of these debates and arguments in concepts! But ultimately the supreme reality is a single nondual substance that is the ultimate conclusions for all the schools of thought!

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                    2. True that! But as I pointed, for exame, if one choose to define Vishnu as lord absolute, then the very later part of creation of Viraat will be wrong, for Viraat creates Vishnu at his feet. These kind of pit holes will occur if a scripture is approached without proper set defined structure. Hence my attempt to explain, not to confuse. If seems confusion or mis matching to what you follow, you can straight away disregard what I said. All that matters is what suits our contemplative mind. I just put forward own understandings and logical structure for future references of my expositions.

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                    3. No no not at all I can also have logical explanations to my understanding but you are just too fast in putting forth your understandings (LOL)

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                    1. Morning daybreak – night and dawn, afternoon or Madhya – overlapping of morning and afternoon and evening Twilight – ending of evening and break of night…as far as i understood 🙂

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                    2. 😉 I don’t do it. So I couldn’t have much of a confusion (LOL) it’s all the movement of the sun from a relative position of view..a wild guess 😦

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        2. And the reason why I keep holding that sisumara/Siṃsumāra as Tortise? Every symbol packs a million ton concepts waiting our touch. If we change symbol, the whole meaning and the approach to our internal-mapping thereby would be side-tracked, leaving us yet again in the dark.

          What I did not reveal earlier was that, siṃsumāra not only maps a tortise back, but its “dome like shape of shell – as DOME of Universe that we see; “scales/divisions” – as the geometrical divisions; the head+tail+4limbs = as the 6 cardinal directions of our comprehension – a one-one mapping to the dome we are talking about.

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          1. as i continue to mention my exposure of Sisumara as a dolphin is accentuated by the fact that i didn’t have the power to comprehend beyond what i read about the intrepretation of Srimad Bhagavatham by ISKCON founder, Srila Prabhupada of Gaudiya Sampradaya of Vaishnavas. For some reason, i could not see much of intrepretations or detailed analysis of Srimad Bhagavatham by Srila Ramanujacharya of Sri Sampradaya the sect from where our ancestral lineage goes or from any of the Acharyas from this lineage as far as my limited search goes. Sri Vishnu Purana is the main purana concerning this sampradaya and i haven’t dealt much into this Purana as of late though i have the required literatures 🙂 Your insight has therefore definitely thrown me into an altogether different way to look at things that i have been looking for all these years 🙂

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            1. All puranas have very much
              of their own significance and interrelated somehow, bagawatham is unique in its own way. All puranams including garuda puranam must we read and comprehend, the base being Vedas, upanishads,sruthis, smrithis, sastras and the derivatives of explanatory Scriptures. It is a wholesome in which each particles has its peculiarity. Nothing is in isolation but well connected by the seers, rishis of ancient wisdom full of seeking everlasting knowledge by opt questions and answers. Enjoy your pastimes by concentrating in them; Best of luck!

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        3. i am a person with no vedic or sanskrit background and i don’t even know how to intrpret the primordial hymn purusha suktha properly 😦 or even the tamil veda or 4000 divya prabhandams of azhwars even a bit. Yes veda vyasa himself says puranas are for the common man but for those attempting to develop a refined consciousness and ithihasas like Mahabharata and Ramayana are meant for people in the lower rung of the ladder with predominance of the base gunas of rajas and tamas, women and “friends” of twice-born or those of mixed castes. as i can see your explanations are much more refined, deep and i don’t see much of my explanations holding water 🙂 (no pun intended 🙂 )

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          1. I give you one statement which I want you to remember in your pursuit of truth. All the scriptures: ranging from Vedas to Puranas to ramayan to Bharata have same and equal import. But they are locked in seven ways. You need seven keys to unlock them. Six keys I have mentioned in one of the blog and the seventh being ” the I Am” in you. With these keys, each scripture gives you unlimited wisdom. But the way these keys are arranged is diff for each scripture and hence the appeal of some scriptures to some people is more and others less.

            I don’t know how, but when I speak or write, Master E.K stands behind guiding, I feel. So if you found some light in my suggestions, pray and thank him. If you found some errors, correct me and I will try to find the error and rectify. 🙂

            Haha…last part is lol though.

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            1. I already mentioned i couldn’t go beyond the first ten pages of Master E.K’s biography. i started to cry as to how one can go to such deep levels of realisation as a person living in the 20th century! i do understand your acceptance of Master E.K. as a maanaseega guru is so strong despite his physical absence, his soul is doing everything behind the scenes for you because of your sincere longing in the quest for knowledge and realisation. i am yet to the see the downloaded videos or the information collected about him and his teachings through your guidance. as i am saying my hands are more than full with family commitments and my struggle for existence trying to meet ends meet. according to me there is nothing called errors here even the concepts of atheism has a say in our dharma and it is the realised souls who counter them and even bring them to their fold as seen through the evidences of Sri Ramanujacharya, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu etc. sanatana dharma is purely based on the originating of a thought or doubt, discussions and elucidations through the iterative process, providing logical arguments and counter arguments, mutual acceptance after holistic evaluations. no one is the “loser” of the argument or debate here. it is only the conclusions that is the winner and that is the takeaway!

              Shed the “I” in ourself and thinking of oneself as the “i” enables us to explore and understand the Absolute Truth. Dissolving even this “i” and the process of understanding the Absolute Truth finally dissolves even all the subtle vaasanas associated with the spirit soul to enter into an realm of absolute bliss.

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