Seeker 1: Prayers to Priya Krishna on his birthday. What you are trying to do? Pray / Burst out / Trying to speak with him?
Seeker 2: Sometimes I even do that because nobody listens to me on these things ☹
Seeker 1: I can’t read fully…have you stopped intentionally?
Seeker 2: No, I concluded it. I was only a short prayer.
Seeker 2: Coming back to our previous conversation, that’s why I keep saying everything depends on diet, prayers, fasting on Ekadashis, listening, readings etc over prolonged periods of time changes the constituents of the mind and body for sure.
Seeker 2: These things are very difficult to explain and can be realised only when one puts the body and mind and stresses it to a very great extent.
Seeker 2: This is really a gradual process.
Seeker 2: Persistence can happen only because of Krishna’s grace.
Seeker 2: His presence is really there I strongly believe it and observe it. It’s very subtle and unable to describe it in words. If you want to gain something even minutely materialistic for your own satisfaction, you are lost! Because He give more than what you deserve without even asking for it is pretty petty to ask for materialistic prosperity in any terms!
Seeker 2: All these may sound like a mad man speaking but you know, there are only two categories of people who can be really happy in this world… the insane who are totally unaware of the surroundings and the spiritually realised who are aware of everything!
Seeker 2: It’s only the in between like us who are facing horrible situations and suffering because this concept of I and mine dominate with only these kinds of people that is the cause of all misery!
Seeker 2: This is the summary of both Gita and Bhagavatham.
Seeker 2: If you understand this much and take it to you, you will start to understand everything slowly! Yes I did had experiences that are hard to explain but I make sure no one else is around for sure during these times because I don’t want to prove again and again that I am manic😛
Seeker 2: See this!
Seeker 2: “The Personality of Godhead said: If I especially favor someone, I gradually deprive him of his wealth. Then the relatives and friends of such a poverty-stricken man abandon him. In this way he suffers one distress after another. When he becomes frustrated in his attempts to make money and instead befriends My devotees, I bestow My special mercy upon him. A person who has thus become sober fully realizes the Absolute as the highest truth, the most subtle and perfect manifestation of spirit, the transcendental existence without end. In this way realizing that the Supreme Truth is the foundation of his own existence, he is freed from the cycle of material life.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 10.88.8 – 10
Seeker 2: Below is another important verse!
Seeker 2: “A person who is not self-controlled will not be happy even with possessing the three worlds. Material existence causes discontent in regard to fulfilling one’s lusty desires and achieving more and more money. This is the cause for the continuation of material life, which is full of repeated birth and death. But one who is satisfied by that which is obtained by destiny is fit for liberation from this material existence.” Srimad Bhagavatham 8.19.25
Seeker 1: You earlier said this process is a long term or a gradual change – How long approximately? I 100% believe Krishna is there. I agree but materialistic things are needed for yourself when you get old and for your family. If you have something enough for that you don’t even think about it…
Seeker 1: Is that realisation going to happen soon or after our sufferings? True. This is something I’m not liking in this process. Why one has to leave family and friends and one has to suffer to understand the absolute truth? Why can’t one understand this having wealth??
Seeker 1: If you are able to manage your mind this can also be managed to not to get distracted with materialistic word and focus on absolute truth. Isn’t it? Do you agree or not??
Seeker 2: If It’s persistence and extremely sincere devotion towards Krishna, then realisation can happen anytime! At that stage, you no longer notice any difference between suffering and happiness and you will realise these are only the dual nature of materialistic existence!
Seeker 2: I don’t believe that it is in one’s hands. Krishna will take full care of who is fully surrendered to Him. If one starts to think I can do it myself, that’s where all the trouble starts because this is obviously not possible!
Seeker 2: It’s not leaving anyone it’s living with anyone without having too much attachment or dependence on anyone.
Seeker 2: Wealth will impede the process. This is not going to happen because of the energy of Maya and illusion that acts strongly and we will get carried away by that!
Seeker 2: All answers to your questions are right here!!!! – Bali Mahārāja Surrenders His Life
Seeker 1: That means you have not managed your mind well…or one don’t know how to manage their mind!!!
Seeker 2: How can you say that or what is making you say that? You kindly read this one chapter properly and come back to me if you have any questions.
Seeker 2: If you don’t get to read either Bhagavad Gita or Srimad Bhagavatham you will not be able to comprehend how much ever in detail I try to answer these types of questions. it’s only waste of time and effort from both of our sides. Answers can be given and discussed only in reference to various contexts mentioned at various places in them.
Seeker 2: That’s why I said if the body and mind get “conditioned” due to various improper habits, abstinence and purification because of that is required to bring the mind under control so as to assimilate higher thoughts and ideals!
Seeker 2: Mainly 4 things mentioned in Shrimad Bhagavatham are the cause of degradation of soul – Intoxication, Meat eating, Gambling and Inappropriate sex habits.
Seeker 2: Even one of them is sufficient to continue for one to be in a state of various thoughts you have been describing today that makes it more and more impossible to realise the higher purpose of life.
Seeker 2: I am not meant to discourage you if you may be having any of these four habits, the natural process of spiritual realisation hinders that. That cannot be denied because this is according to the most primary and most valued scriptures Bhagavad Gita and Bhagavatham.
Seeker 2: Continuous study of these scriptures and practice in day-to-day life for realising absolute truth through the gained knowledge with renewed rigour often leads to testing situations as well as discouragement from people around but since this is a personal experience, one gets indescribable satisfaction within the self.
Seeker 2: The person will look like a fool to the external world often ridiculed as someone who doesn’t live with the tide and adapt to situations to earn money etc. It’s not his fault because his consciousness gets purified to listen to the inner controller within himself and invoked by Krishna’s grace through Srimad Bhagavatham and Bhagavad Gita.
Seeker 2: Nothing else can invoke that within us because it is fully inside and covered by false ego and can be listened to only if our soul is awakened and our intelligence is directed inward to listen to these instructions. The answers that is all there in Srimad Bhagavatham and Bhagavad Gita will be automatically realised then!