Conversation 062 – Inner Engineering? Part 3

Seeker 1: I feel one missing with context though I can understand that you are contented within yourself! Isn’t it true??

Seeker 1: Inner controller?? Do you know what it is?? Can you tell if you don’t mind ?? Soul awaken in oneself – means being conscious??

Seeker 2: It’s like starting to tell you everything all over again 😦

Seeker 2: It’s like earning money and being fully involved in that area and its related ways and also being overly involved in spiritual consciousness and awareness 😊 both are totally disconnected ways like parallel lines that do not converge! It’s only cheating oneself if one thinks both can be accomplished together!

Seeker 2: Read this again what Shri Krishna has to say on this if you didn’t read it

Seeker 2: “The Personality of Godhead said: If I especially favor someone, I gradually deprive him of his wealth. Then the relatives and friends of such a poverty-stricken man abandon him. In this way he suffers one distress after another. When he becomes frustrated in his attempts to make money and instead befriends My devotees, I bestow My special mercy upon him. A person who has thus become sober fully realizes the Absolute as the highest truth, the most subtle and perfect manifestation of spirit, the transcendental existence without end. In this way realizing that the Supreme Truth is the foundation of his own existence, he is freed from the cycle of material life.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 10.88.8 – 10

Seeker 2: This is what is the higher purpose of life – Not very anxious to earn lot of money and maintain it for our temporary material existence which we are going to lose everything at the point of death! It’s only the spiritual aspects and assets that is gained in this human life that is going to keep up in good stead for this life and the life after…

Seeker 2: If you are unable to get this aspect that means you are covered by illusion but I know you are able to understand this aspect because I am sure you are aware of these concepts since we have discussed these things quite a lot over the years!

Seeker 2: This is not some materialistic sciences like physics chemistry etc., this is metaphysical and can be realised only through practical experiences.

Seeker 2: No matter how much one speaks about it, explains it, writes about it, the listener or the reader just can’t get to it because it’s self-experience and one has to realise it!

Seeker 2: That’s why people like Shankaracharya Ramanujacharya are Shankaracharya Ramanujacharya are and we are we! Sanyasis voluntarily renounce everything for higher purpose.

Seeker 1: Why do you think that way?

Seeker 2: We can only experience their awareness and be awed by it but not so easy to get to that level as we are, because we are struggling with basic aspects of everyday life!

Seeker 1: Why Krishna has to do it? Is it right way of doing it? If really special mercy is provided by Lord Krishna there won’t be any beggars in this world!

Seeker 2: If you are questioning like this, this is only because your mind is so much tuned to the external world and not something that is inside you. This is lower level of awareness!

Seeker 1: Good point – I need your inputs here to take that into my mind. Do you believe mind is yours? Mind does not belong to either body or so called Atma right?

Seeker 2: Nothing is ours!!! This is the main and the most important point!!! Not knowing this properly is the root cause of all the problems.

Seeker 1: Exactly!

Seeker 1: Tell me one thing how Atma gets associated with mind?? What are the pre-conditions that takes into consideration before it gets associated with mind?? We discussed about it earlier too does Atma has mind or not? Do you know the answer for it? Can you tell this here briefly? Agree mind is like a monkey it does all sorts of monkey activities even though you have human mind. So far, I believe Atma will a temporary mind for about a month / year after it departs body then gets into cycle of finding another mind before getting associated with Body… I’m still not sure about what happens to paramatma after Atma leaves body?

Seeker 2: I don’t know any answers on my own. I get answers only from the most authentic source, The Srimad Bhagavatham and Bhagavad Gita. They have the answers to all questions and this is mentioned in these literatures itself and that is the only fact. It’s really a gradual spiritual evolution process.

Seeker 2: The mind is so much conditioned and obstinate because of our life experiences that it gets carried away by all the accumulated nonsense that it actually refuses to take in the actual truth.  That is not your problem because of all the assumption you are saying is based mostly on your readings and understandings from that and from your own life experiences!

Seeker 2: I will come back to the same favourite statement from Srimad Bhagavatham that we keep discussing and talking and how much that is applicable for normal person like us living in conditioned family life. Check this statement again…

Seeker 2: “The brāhmaṇa Jaḍa Bharata said: My dear King, although you are not at all experienced, you are trying to speak like a very experienced man. Consequently, you cannot be considered an experienced person. An experienced person does not speak the way you are speaking about the relationship between a master and a servant or about material pains and pleasures. These are simply external activities. Any advanced, experienced man, considering the Absolute Truth, does not talk in this way.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 5.11.1

Seeker 1: Hahaha…yes, you got it 👍 This is our favourite quote ever! 😃

Seeker 2: What you are speaking and your mindset is also approximately very similar unfortunately, but that can be eradicated only through right knowledge and dedicated to learning that knowledge and living a life that way!

Seeker 2: I tell you one more thing that is mentioned at the end of all the teachings to King Rahugana on this knowledge, how difficult it is to pursue it, but how rewarding it is in the end…

Seeker 2: “Having summarized the teachings of Jaḍa Bharata, Śukadeva Gosvāmī said: My dear King Parīkṣit, the path indicated by Jaḍa Bharata is like the path followed by Garuḍa, the carrier of the Lord, and ordinary kings are just like flies. Flies cannot follow the path of Garuḍa, and to date none of the great kings and victorious leaders could follow this path of devotional service, not even mentally.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 5.14.42.

Seeker 2: Isn’t this amazing? And how true???

Seeker 1: Yeah got it!

Seeker 2: 👍

(Continued…)

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Author: Rajini

"Knowledge is the ultimate perfection of self-realization.". (Srimad Bhagavatham 3.26.2) Trying to seek that knowledge through life experiences that leads to compassion, dispassion and ultimately satisfaction.

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