Conversation 059 – Worshipping “Gods” Vs Worshipping the Supreme Lord

Happy Radhashtami! Jai Shri Krishna! Jai Shrimati Radharani!

Seeker 1: I want to share an excerpt from a post I have been reading and it would be great if you could share your views on that. Please check:

I am proud of my daughter for being a true Vaishnava and I am happy to share her post –

As a true Vaishnava I do not celebrate Ganesha Chaturthi (making/eating kozhukkattais (sweets) does not count!).

Every individual following a religion subscribes to a certain philosophy; and a God and they choose to worship according to that belief. Some Hindus pray to multiple Gods, Some Iyengars practice polymorphic monotheism. We subscribe to the idea of only one supreme God, (Paramatma) and the rest (including demigods) are all either sentient (jivatma) or insentient (achit). This principle, called tatvatrayam is the basis of Visishtadvaitam, which I follow as an Iyengar.
Iyengars are called ‘Sri Vaishnavas’. The word Sri Vaishnava means “the one who belongs to Vishnu”.
Iyengars who follow this practice have been chided by those who do not believe in this philosophy. Since I follow Visishtadvaitam, my belief is that Lord Vishnu is the Paramatma.


Seeker 2: There is nothing to be proud of in this! 😦 What is there to being proud in this??? Being proud is the biggest cause of concern and all sorts of complex and complexity starts with that! 😊. What do you mean by true Vaishnava? Either you are a Vaishnava or you are not. That’s all. There’s nothing in between! And Vaishnava is developing the 26 qualities of a Vaishnava and living as a Vaishnava by being an example. A Vaishnava is a person who manifests the following 26 good qualities:

(1) Very kind.

(2) Always friendly.

(3) Truthful.

(4) Impartial.

(5) Faultless.

(6) Magnanimous.

(7) Mild.

(8) Uncontaminated.

(9) Without possessions.

(10) Works for everyone’s benefit.

(11) Very peaceful.

(12) Always surrendered to Krishna.

(13) No material desires.

(14) Gentle.

(15) Steady.

(16) Sense control.

(17) Frugal.

(18) Un-influenced by Maya.

(19) Respectful.

(20) Humility.

(21) Very grave.

(22) Merciful.

(23) Friendly.

(24) Poetic.

(25) Expert.

(26) Silent. – Srimad Bhagavatham – 5.18.12 Purport

Seeker 2: Not by eating kozhukattai or not one becomes a Vaishnava! 😊.

Seeker 2: Being a Vaishnava is a quality that doesn’t come by birth as being born as an “Iyengar” or something. It only comes by developing the qualities of a Vaishnava. So, the primary surmise by calling oneself on the caste names and associating oneself as Vaishnava only calls for sectarianism.

Seeker 2: In Kali yuga where none of the Brahminical / Vedic practices can be / are practiced properly and because everything is polluted, the occupational duties and varnashrama system is totally lost now. Everything has been compromised and if one does not accept this fact one is in the dark for sure!
Seeker 2: Praying to Lord Vishnu by acknowledging Him as the superior being is one thing and praying to Lord Shiva, Lord Vinayaka, Lord Muruga etc who are empowered incarnations/devotees could also be taken as praying to Vishnu but in an indirect way because Vishnu is there as Paramatma in everything living or non-living and everything is His manifestation. He is there even inside every atom!
Seeker 2: Majority are believing in certain beliefs just by following some instructions from someone whom they consider knowledgeable and by listening to some discourses in YouTube etc. by those who satisfy their whims. Most of them do not even enquire what they mean and how it is applicable in present life situations and are easily misled because of lack of self-enquiry, people therefore believe and do as they wish and according to their own whims change their practices according to time, place and situations.
Seeker 2: Krishna just says Maam Ekam Saranam Vraja (BG 18.66) – mentioning and explaining this in detail is more than enough instead of this twisted round about explanations. Trying to show one false superiority is the root cause of all problems. Religion is all personal and based on situation and for the individual soul to attain the supreme destination is the experience of the individual objective and that is the only objective of this human birth.. Explanation needs to be given only to the right people, not to everyone under the sun just because they ask for it because most people cannot comprehend these things because each one of us is under the three modes of material nature and therefore would only lead to unnecessary arguments and misinterpretations!
Seeker 2: Krishna also says first offer it to the demigods who is ordained their respective functions and that is as good as offering to Me because it will anyway reach Me through them.
Seeker 2: “In charge of the various necessities of life, the demigods, being satisfied by the performance of yajna [sacrifice], supply all necessities to man. But he who enjoys these gifts without offering them to the demigods in return is certainly a thief”. – Bhagavad Gita 3.12. it’s also a known fact that watering the roots nourishes the entire tree and feeding the stomach satisfies the entire body. Similarly satisfying Shri Krishna satisfies everyone and everything. But to reach that level of awareness or understanding can be attained only by unalloyed service developing the qualities of a Vaishnava. That is why Krishna Himself mentions this as the most confidential secret that is to be gradually understood and that is why that is His final instruction at the very end – Maam Ekam Saranam vraja – Bhagavad Gita 18.66. Otherwise, He could have said that at the very beginning itself and closed Bhagavad Gita at 2.11 itself and need not have started sermonising beginning with the concepts of the soul 🙂
Seeker 1: Your explanation is really good!
Seeker 2: 😀 Nothing great in this!
Seeker 2: There are certain things to be practiced regularly before one comes to talk on religious or spiritual aspects and also to gradually develop these mentioned Vaishnava qualities because this is the science of life not that of materialistic sciences like the subject matter that is taught in schools ,colleges etc.! These are some of the following that are to be cultivated:

Seeker 2: Learning to live without any expectations combined with continuous readings and listening’s of scriptures, primarily Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatham from authentic sources in line with proper disciplic succession to understand and realise the Absolute Truth.
Seeker 2: Not talking unnecessarily (Silence) and not getting involved in any topics that are useless and are not food for the soul.
Seeker 2: Being restrictive in eating habits, drinking lots of water, fasting regularly and completely avoiding rajasic and tamasic foods.

Seeker 2: Avoiding association of people who believe in only money and earning money is the only thing in life.
Seeker 2: Not getting involved in unnecessary arguments about anyone on/or anything.
Seeker 2: Knowing what is our purpose and sticking with it at all costs and circumstances, no matter what.
Seeker 2: Realising you can’t make anyone understand anything no matter how much you try since It’s only waste of time and energy. One can only be just an influencer. The change has got to begin from oneself.
Seeker 1: You are very clear and correct!
Seeker 2: Doing all the above in a gradual and phased manner and persisting with it despite the hardships that it will bring in initially by strongly believing these aspects will change one’s quality of life for better in the long run.
Seeker 1: yes, I understood.
Seeker 2: “Different people are of different mentalities. Therefore it is not my business either to praise them or to blaspheme them. I only desire their welfare, hoping that they will agree to become one with the Supersoul, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa.Srimad Bhagavatham 7.13.42
Seeker 2: This must be the attitude to be followed as mentioned by a care free Avadhutha to Prahalada Maharaja when he enquired on his way of life.
Seeker 1: Everything runs according to the grace of God. God is great. Sarvam Krishnarpanam!
Seeker 2: Yes. 100% true!

Seeker 2: “Nārada Muni desired that Nalakūvara and Maṇigrīva see Vāsudeva face to face, the Supreme Personality of Godhead wanted to fulfill the words of His very dear devotee Nārada Muni. If one seeks the favor of a devotee instead of directly asking favors from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one is very easily successful.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 10.10.25 Purport.
Seeker 2: Another reference to you to enhance what we were discussing. So, whoever one may worship if the wish is not selfish one will surely reach Krishna otherwise there is no chance!
Seeker 1: Super!

Seeker 2: Lord Shri Krishna’s daily activities is mentioned like this in Srimad Bhagavatham: “Lord Krsna would  offer obeisances to the cows, brähmaëas and demigods, His elders and spiritual masters, and all living beings—all of whom are expansions of His supreme personality. Then He would touch auspicious things“. Srimad Bhagavatham 10.70.10.

Seeker 2: This is Lord Shri Krishna’s one of the final instructions to Sri Uddhava in the Bhakti yoga section of Uddhava Gita: “For him who constantly meditates upon My  presence within all persons, the bad tendencies of rivalry, envy and abusiveness, along with false ego, are very quickly destroyed. Disregarding the ridicule of one’s companions, one should give up the bodily conception and its accompanying embarrassment. One should offer obeisances before all—even the dogs, outcastes, cows and asses—falling flat upon the ground like a rod. Until one has fully developed the ability to see Me within all living beings, one must continue to worship Me by this process with the activities of his speech, mind and body.” Srimad Bhagavatham 11.29.15, 16, 17.

Seeker 2: Nothing is an authentic as this process of worship as Shri Krishna himself says it: “My dear Uddhava, because I have personally established it, this process of devotional service unto Me is transcendental and free from any material motivation. Certainly a devotee never suffers even the slightest loss by adopting this process.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 11.29.20

Thank you very much!

Related Post(s):

  1. Reflections on Srimad Bhagavatham Canto 1
  2. Life and BG 18.66

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Vaishnava Sampradayas (Contd.)

This post may be taken as a side note to the Conversation 039 – Vaishnava Sampradayas (Tradition/Spiritual Lineage)

The subtle variations of intrepretations by great acharyas of various sampradayas/schools and the many liberated souls, combined with our own understandings of their philosophies that give rise to brainstorming with meaningful interesting discussions thus clearing our doubts and ignorance and broadens our insights.

🙂

You would be knowing the four bonafide/primary Vaishnava Sampradayas:
1. Sri/Maha Lakshmi – the consort of Lord Naarayana/Maha Vishnu (Sri Ramanujacharya – an expansion of Lakshmana/Sankharshana/Aadishesha – http://sriramanujar.tripod.com/ramanuja.html),
2. Brahma (Sri Madhvacharya – the (self-proclaimed?) third avatar or incarnation of Vayu, wind god, the son of Vishnu – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhvacharya / http://globalpress.hinduismnow.org/global-press-originals/god/madhvacharya-third-incarnation-vayu/),
3. Rudra/’Lord Shiva (Sri Vishnuswami (https://gaudiyahistory.iskcondesiretree.com/vishnu-swami/) + Sri Vallabhacharya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallabha) ) and
4. Gaudiya (Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu – a devotee incarnation of Lord Shri Krishna – http://www.krishna.com/info/chaitanya-mahaprabhu).

All of them are identified by subtle variations and even have sub sects in them having further subtle differences in their main tenets.

For example, Sri Sampradaya is branched into two subsects – the Northeners (Vadagalai – the sect i belong to by birth 🙂  ) – the progressive, and the Southerners (Thengalai) – the more orthodox…

This article by my favourite Stephen Knapp that briefly explains various aspects of this and is worth reading. – https://www.sanskritimagazine.com/indian-religions/hinduism/sampradayas-four-main-chains-discipline-successions-hinduism/

You may excuse my limited knowledge of variations between various manifestation of Lord Krishna/Lord Maha Vishnu/Lord Naaraayanaa and the interchange in terms of name/usage – Lila-incarnations, incarnations, expansions, primary expansions, secondary expansions, expansions of an expansion, portions, plenary portions, portions of plenary portions etc.

But the ultimate thing to note is that they are all specially empowered beings designated with a specific purpose during the course of their descent into the material plane and subsequent ascent into the spiritual plane once their mission/purpose is accomplished.

They are Nitya (https://www.yogapedia.com/definition/5717/nitya), determined to bless us jiva souls to also to transcend/ascent to their plane and it is up to us to utilize the teachings and follow their path (in whatever ideology that one may find comfortable to follow because of their modes of material nature -apart from the above four , not to ignore / forget the Advaita school of thought propounded by Aadi Shankaracharya, an empowered expansion of Lord Shiva/Rudra as mentioned in the Padma Purana and Shiva Purana, refutations of this school of thought is the primary factor behind the tenets of the vaishnava sampradayas that came into existence/prominence after the ascent and descent of Aadi Shankara).

It’s only the spiritual evolution and the realisation of the impermenance, ever-changing and ever-transforming attributes of the material universe and the need to transcend beyond it that is of primary importance.

This concludes my 150th blog post!

Note: Regarding transcendence, one may refer to this amazing, mind-blowing book – Transcendence – My Spiritual experiences with Pramukh Swamiji and be blown over by it! – A dialogue between The People’s President, The Missile Man, above all a great human being to have walked on this earth, Dr.A.P.J Abdul Kalam(1931-2015) and Pramukh Swamiji(1921-2016) – the acharya from the lineage of Bhagwan Swami Narayan school of Vaishnava Sampradaya – the treatise Vachanamruta being the bible of the teachings of this Sampradaya, and the establishment of Akshardham temples all over the world under his leadership, particularly the amazing Akshardham temple at Noida, New Delhi, India.

These are the books that has the capability to alter the course of our thought process for good!

Conversation 055 – The Thrashing Incident

As mentioned in The Thrashing Incident, I now mention the conversation that took place between the father and the kid(s) after the incident on the way home. For brevity, I use the following abbreviations to refer to them.

  1. Mr.F – The Father.
  2. Master EK or Simply EK – The elder kid
  3. Master JK or Simply JK – The junior kid

EK: I just observed what you have been doing and I am really shocked by your behavior and reaction to that man (I mean buffalo 😦 ). Your reaction only reminds me of the similar situation from the movie Baasha:

Subtitles: Brother, what is this? He has beaten you so much. You haven’t even reacted a bit and haven’t shown any emotion at all and got yourself beaten like this? Even a cat will react as self-defence and will show some aggression under these circumstances. Have you not been beaten anyone before? Will you ever get angry? (The brother – Superstar Rajinikanth laughs sarcastically and walks away from the scene…)

I want to know the reason for this behavior of yours. See Master JK was crying so much that It was very difficult for me to console him. I thought one of your thrashings would have helped the situation.

Mr.F: (smiling) Do you remember I having ever beaten anyone of you anytime? It was my mistake first. I should have used careful choice of words in the first place in front of these intoxicated people. I should have expected how deranged people will react under least provocation in these circumstances.

Mr.F: I already told the story of The logic of the mouse and the snake to your little brother sometime back while walking on the way to his school. You may hear that story from him. That could make you understand the logic of the situation.

Mr.F: There are several possible ways to react to the same situation. 1. Confront him head on and give a thrashing. 2. Call the police 3. Gather your friends to confront if you are weak. There are a lot more uncivilized options but that is not worth going into 🙂

Mr.F: You should realise as a science student – The Newton’s third law, “For every action, there is a equal and opposite reaction.” So you can easily think about further consequences of these actions that would bring and the subsequent unpredictable chain reactions, that is again not worth thinking about because they are all imaginary situations running in the mind that doesn’t have any reality!

Mr.F: But one thing that is surely going to happen, a waste of lot of time and our limited valuable energy for this useless endeavour. As per The logic of the mouse and the snake, our position was weak in the sense that, that person was many times physically stronger than me and the gathered crowd was also highly insensitive. Under the situation, confrontation is not going to help, only logic and common sense will help! The immediate need was conflict resolution and get out of that place ASAP and one has to compromise. In his animalistic state, I am 100% sure that I could expect nothing of that sort from him because of the obscenities that emanated from his mouth before the thrashing that you cannot manage to stand even for a moment! if you know its real meaning 🙂 (Don’t ask me the meaning of them (LOL). You will learn it anyway in your college (hostel) from your friends and well-wishers 🙂 )

Mr.F: Every person goes up or goes down only by his own actions. No external influence is required! I know you also have endured similar situations in your school by actions of bullies and they have become your best friends now. So you need not be surprised by this.

EK: (smiling) 🙂 But we are kids. We will fight for sometime and get united the next minute. I thought adults are not like that because generally they are more prejudiced and conditioned and sense of rivaly, enmity and revenge is much more dominant!

Mr.F: You can’t say that. A really matured person is a kid at heart. You should read biographies of great personalities like Dr. Abdul Kalam, Dr. Nelson Mandela, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. etc., how much they have endured violence for a higher cause.

EK: Yes, I totally agree with you. I have to improve my reading habit and read more useful things.

JK: Yes, and you have to tell all these stories to me 🙂 you know I love listening to stories.

PS: The acronyms EK and JK have been chosen after careful thought and for obvious reasons. Anyone would aspire their sons to become someone like Master.E.K or JK THE Master. (You can say Mr.F as Mr.Father, the Mr.Fool (LOL) )

It is the duty of every spiritual student to reduce one fool in this Creation before he dies and that is oneself. He should also see that there is one more wise man on this Earth, and that is also oneself…” —- Master. E.K (Acknowledgment to this quote from the tag line of the blog – Hints to the Ancient Wisdom

Master E.K
By India Post, Government of India – [1] [2], GODL-India, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=74963497

Note: This is not a superficial incident but a real one and the conversation between the father and the kids is also real!

Related Posts:

  1. The Thrashing Incident
  2. The logic of the snake and the mouse!

A resolute prayer to Lord Shri Krishna

I dedicate this resolute prayer to Lord Shri Krishna to Goddess Sarawathi, the Goddess of learning, the most divine, the most worshippable to all/of all, who is working under the directions of Lord Hayagreeva, a “Gnanaswaroopa” (embodiment of all spiritual growth, knowledge and wisdom) incarnation of My Lord Shri Krishna / My Lord Naaraayana and who is the consort of Lord Brahma.

Otherwise, I absolutely don’t have the power to comprehend anything in this material world that is full of duality, total confusion, total incoherence, hypocrisy, rampant materialism and total loss of original spiritual values.


Lord Shri Krishna knows I have fully surrendered every bit of me to Him.

Lord Shri Krishna knows I don’t have any individuality anymore.

Lord Shri Krishna knows all my senses, gross, subtle and all the sense organs and the organs of action will no longer perform its functions to gratify itself, the mind and the objects around it.

Lord Shri Krishna had completely transformed me through His miracles, mercy, magnanimity, tolerance, influence (SB 1.16.26-30) by all of his 40 prominent transcendental qualities, with events that had happened to make me fully aware of His Omni-presence.

Lord Shri Krishna has fully protected me from innumerable circumstances that made me absolutely helpless in handling them and this made me fully dependent on Him, so much that He made, makes and will make me fully ignore the consequences of these circumstances because all of them are of material nature.

Lord Shri Krishna has rekindled my faith through the transcendental literatures of Srimad Bhagavatham and Srimad Bhagavad Gita that has made me fully surrendered to Him.

Lord Shri Krishna is fully protecting me by preventing any embarrassing situations that could have happened, that is happening now and that will happen in the future by making me indifferent to all of them since He has made me realize that these situations would serve no ultimate purpose.

Lord Shri Krishna has made me surrender to my very existence to Him now, there is no longer “I” “me” “mine” or any duality. My “I” is now fully dissolved to “i” as of now only because the jiva is still dwelling in the material body and only Lord Shri Krishna knows when to free the jiva from the shackles of material existence.

Various functions still need to be performed with the sense objects in this material world through the five sense organs controlled by the mind, intelligence and false ego and the five organs of action has to continue its functions as long as the jiva continues to reside in this dumb material body that is continuing to decaying all the time.

On one fine day, this material body will become totally unfit for the jiva soul to reside and will be fit only for consumption by dogs, owls, jackals, vultures, worms, or if lucky, by fire through proper cremation rites. Somehow, the jiva still has to either force its way out through the nine gates of the body to take residence in another such material body or having become free of attachments and becoming absolutely free from the modes of material nature, reside permanently in Lord Shri Krishna’s abode serving Him eternally.

This last option again depending on keeping up the Surrender to Lord Shri Krishna for the rest of the life and following Lord Shri Krishna in Srimad Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatham with renewed vigour and listening and abiding to His instructions in His form as Paramatma or Supersoul dwelling in the heart besides the individual jiva.

Lord Shri Krishna is the Paramatma or the Supersoul residing in my heart and He has awakened the jiva because of the jiva’s persistent failure in its search for bliss by persistently associating with the material body and objects, thereof in which it is dwelling.

The jiva has finally got the “brains” now to realise that it is not the doer and that it needs to surrender to the Supersoul or Paramatma also known as Avigyaata residing with him side by side, monitoring and waiting to help all the time.

(Om Avignatre Namah – 482/1000th name for Lord Shri Krishna/Lord Shri Vishnu in Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam) which means the supreme personality who cannot be seen / known by ordinary means)

Lord Shri Krishna, through his causeless mercy being shown because of a simple act of total surrender has enlivened the jiva soul with the real path of attaining supreme bliss.

All one needs to do is not to get entangled to the material world again, though the material nature through the senses and the mind provides abundant opportunities for the jiva soul to get mis-directed even if it shows a tinge of inclination towards the sway of the three modes of material nature, goodness, passion and ignorance.

Related Posts:

  1. Magnificence of Srimad Bhagavatham
  2. Interpretations to Post 40: Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam
  3.  Summary of Teachings from Srimad Bhagavatham – Part One
  4. Prayer for Surrender
  5. Reflections on Srimad Bhagavatham Canto 1
  6. Conversation 026 – Modes of material nature (and beyond)
  7. A miracle untold ? A true experience
  8. Life and BG 18.66
  9.  Conversation 018 – Constitutional position of the soul

Magnificence of Srimad Bhagavatham

I have been mentioning at least one passage from Srimad Bhagavatham in most of my posts.

Now, I would like to mention the magnificence of this transcendental literature, which is verily Lord Shri Krishna Himself in a literary form, just meant for liberating us from this age of darkness:

Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the spotless Purāṇa. It is most dear to the Vaiṣṇavas because it describes the pure and supreme knowledge of the paramahaṁsas. This Bhāgavatam reveals the means for becoming free from all material work, together with the processes of transcendental knowledge, renunciation and devotion. Anyone who seriously tries to understand Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, who properly hears and chants it with devotion, becomes completely liberated.” – SB 12.13.18.

Srimad Bhagavatham was first revealed by The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Shri Krishna to Lord Brahma, the creator of this universe when he was anxious of how to proceed with the creation process.

Srimad Bhagavatham is the essence of all Vedanta philosophy because its subject matter is The Absolute Truth.

The goal of this transcendental literature is to free our self from the clutches of this material existence that is going on since time immemorial by encouraging renunciation and inculcate exclusive devotion to the Supreme Truth, the permanent reality!

In this material universe, even Lord Brahma, the topmost living being who has the longest lifespan is not free from the four vices of material existence – birth, death, disease and old age, anxiously desires salvation and the Supreme personality of Godhead, Lord Shri Krishna mercifully explained the science of Srimad Bhagavatham to him.

Sri Sukadeva Gosvami(son of Maharishi Veda Vyasa, the literary incarnation of God and the author of Srimad Bhagavatham), the best of mystic sages and a personal manifestation of the Absolute Truth narrated Srimad Bhagavatham to Maharaja Pariksit having been bitten by a snake due to a curse and had only seven days to live, delivered him from the clutches of material existence by narrating Srimad Bhagavatam in entirety to him.

Conversation 041 – Fasting on Ekadashis

This conversation is based on the post :

Conversation 027 – Money, Lifestyle and Ultimate Purpose

with an advanced devotee from Russia, living in ISKCON, Vrindavan and is of the renounced order:

Seeker 2: Hare Krishna!

Seeker 2: i wanted to ask one thing…how you keep up the fasting without getting exhausted…

Seeker 2: i have also to do office work and sometimes i get very exhausted.

Seeker 1: Okay. It depends on what kind of fasting you are in. Of course if you have to work I would not recommend to avoid any food or drink. You could take water at least, some fruits

Seeker 2: yes… I am restricting myself to only water and fruits

Seeker 1: If you feel it’s difficult and it disturbs your mind then it’s better to take normal food (without grains), one time a day to take food without grains is also considered to be fasting

Seeker 2: yes…but i don’t want to do that…Krishna has been making me handle what I have been doing so far…it’s just for one day and i feel i have to do it for Krishna…

Seeker 2: i feel i will lose the purpose if i do that…

Seeker 1: Then you continue. Don’t compromise.

Seeker 2: Thank you…Yes…i want to live for Krishna as long as i live and this is the least i can do for that i feel…

Seeker 2: and i want to always have the association with pure devotees like you…

Seeker 1: The humble attitude is the gates to Krishna’s world. “Trinadapi sunichena..” Please never lose it. Only they will not make you divert from the purpose.

Seeker 2: I am living with no like-minded people and it is so easy to get corrupted.

Seeker 1: Are you initiated?!

Seeker 2: I am already in Sri Ramunajacharya sect from birth.

Seeker 2: But i find not much difference when i read Srila Prabhupada. So i got naturally inclined.

Seeker 2: Conceptually there are at least 95% similarity in the ideologies.

Seeker 2: When you visit the temples in South Indiam particularly my State Tamil nadu you will also realise this.

Seeker 2: i have mentioned all the temples, i have visited along with their history, significance in my blog.

Seeker 1: That’s fine. Initiation is important. Any of the four Vaisnava’s sampradayas are genuine. If you feel inspired by Lokanath Swami why don’t you ask him to shelter you? It will give you more strength and confidence in your spiritual life.

Seeker 2: But i am already initiated and i am not inclined to change towards anything else, at least for now. i don’t know if the time comes…

Seeker 1: Krishna knows better what is good for you. If there will be need He will make all arrangements.

Seeker 2: Yes surely. Hare Krishna!

Seeker 2: He has got me under His hold…this is His divine will.

Seeker 2: Please check this: https://www.indiadivine.org/uppiliappan-lord-who-doesnt-eat-any-salt/

Seeker 2: Our family deity

Seeker 2: Hare Krishna!

Seeker 2: The Lord has inscribed the Bhagavad Gita verse 18.66 in His left hand. “MaamEkam Saranam Vraja” in the language Tamil.

Seeker 2: Summary of Teachings from Srimad Bhagavatham – Part One also establishes this fact.

Seeker 2: Hare Krishna!

Seeker 1: Hari Bol!

Related Posts:

  1. Conversation 039 – Vaishnava Sampradayas (Tradition/Spiritual Lineage)
  2. Summary of Teachings from Srimad Bhagavatham – Part One
  3. Prayer for Surrender
  4. Reflections on Srimad Bhagavatham Canto 1
  5. Life and BG 18.66

Conversation 039 – Vaishnava Sampradayas (Tradition/Spiritual Lineage)

This conversation based on my yesterday’s post – Interpretations to Post 40: Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam with an advanced devotee from Russia, living in ISKCON, Vrindavan and is of the renounced order:

Seeker 2: Hare Krishna! This is my latest post:

Seeker 2: Interpretations to Post 40: Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam

Seeker 2: Please read it and let me know what you think about it.

Seeker 1: Hare Krishna! Nice article. Do you know according to sastras chanting 1000 times Visnu sahasranam is the same as chanting 1 time name of Lord Rama; and chanting 3000 times Visnu Sahasranam is the same as chanting 1 time Hare Krishna maha-mantra.

Seeker 1: Isvara uvaca: “Sri rama rameti rame manorame, sahasra nama tatulyam rama nama varanine”. Lord Siva addressed Parvati: “Varanana (lovely-faced woman), I chant the holy name of Rama, Rama, Rama and thus constantly enjoy this beautiful sound. This holy name of Ramachandra is equal to one thousand holy names of Lord Vishnu (Vishnu-sahasra-nama-strotram).

Seeker 1: Srila Prabhupad wrote in a letter: Without cleansing the mind, nobody can advance in spiritual understanding. And chanting of the Hare Krishna Mahamantra is the cleansing process of mind. Further Prabhupad said: There is no difference between, chanting Hare Krishna and meeting Krishna eye to eye, face to face. One simply has to realize.

Seeker 2: Actually it is a short cut mentioned for those who don’t want to spend time chanting 1000 names. There is also a calculation based on the syllables of the word ra ma.

Seeker 2: The feelings that one gets after chanting the 1000 names is incomparable. The vibration and the rhythm of the combination of names arranged like a garland and the flow is a bliss for those who chant it.

Seeker 2: Srila Prabhupada ji’s intention is to create the right mindset among common people to introduce to chanting the holy names of Lord Shri Krishna. Hare Krishna mahamantra is the simplest and most potent of all.

Seeker 2: Every sampradaya (spiritual lineage) is unique in its interpretations but the final destination is the name.

Seeker 2: Gaudiya sampradaya says Lord Shri Krishna is supreme while Sri Ramanuja or Sri Sampradaya says Lord Sriman Narayana is supreme.

Seeker 2: These subtle variations interfere between people moving across various sampradaya or spiritual lineage.

Seeker 2: People who are ingrained in their sampradaya for generations don’t change their sampradaya but accept other sampradaya’s permises based on their equivalence of approach and have healthy debates.

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Seeker 2: This is the calculation behind the power of the name Rama!

Seeker 2: Hare Krishna!

Seeker 2: Yes thank you very much for reaffirming. on Rama Naamaa. I started chanting Hare Krishna mahamantra after my first ever visit to any Iskcon Temple, it was in Singapore in 2004-2005 and since then Hare Krishna mahamantra has become a part of me. It’s so simple, so sweet, so beautiful, so powerful, so captivating to heart, so blissful, so relishable, the more I chant I couldn’t feel satiated… chanting along with Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam I am what I am because of the synergistic effects.

Seeker 2: Hare Krishna!

Seeker 2: All the primary 24 expansions of Lord Shri Krishna is arranged in a beautiful sequence at appropriated places in Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam.

Seeker 2: The appearance of Sri Chaitanya mahaprabhu is also mentioned in Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam:

Seeker 2: “Suvarna-varno hemango varangas-candanangadi”. “When Krsna appears as Sri Caitanya (Sri Gauranga), in His early pastimes His complexion is golden (suvarna-varna), His limbs are the color of molten white gold (hemanga), His body is extremely beautiful (varangas), and He is decorated with sandalwood pulp (candanangadi).”

Seeker 2: This is sloka number 79 in Sri Vishnu Sahasranaamam.

Seeker 2: I feel very blessed to have been associated with pure devotees like you and able to share these beautiful things that I am unable to speak to anyone around me.

Seeker 2: I sometimes feel I don’t’ belong here but I am bound by commitments due to the illusory energy of Lord Shri Krishna.

Seeker 2: Hunger, thirst – nothing seems to have any impact on me when I write on Krishna, read on Krishna or think on Krishna.  I am not able to find the reasons behind it.

Seeker 1: Thank you for sharing whatever you write and having these conversations.

Seeker 1: You don’t need to change anything. All four sampradayas are genuine. You are on the right path. There is no doubt about this.

Seeker 2: Thank you very much. Hare Krishna!

The Universe That is God: An Insight into the Thousand Names of Lord Visnu