Living Dead!

Some definitions first:

  1. a life that is so full of suffering that it would be better to be dead:
  2. Those living with depression are The Living Dead.
  3. people who are very dull and boring
  4. a dead body that has been brought back to life by a supernatural force
  5. reanimated corpses that have been turned into creatures capable of movement but not of rational thought; zombies.
  6. நடைபிணமாக – Tamil – (Walking corpse)

Living dead are those who are out of the frying pan and into the fire!

Living dead are those who are between the devil and the deep blue sea!

Living dead are those like ants in the middle of a fire blazing on both ends of a log!

Living dead are those who have lost their job in their middle age and nothing looks prospective!

Living dead are those who do not have anything to continue their livelihood on their own nor have other’s confidence to help them!

Living dead are those who once upon a time were respected by everyone around because they have been remunerated handsomely but have now lost respect from the same persons because of their unaffordability now!

Living dead are those who have now become boring because people no longer feel the need to listen to them!

Living dead are those who now have lost all rational thoughts according to others since they now no longer have any intrinsic values because they have lost their buying powers!

Living dead are those living in conditions of perpetual depression but people around do not have the eyes or ears for it!

Living dead are those walking corpses because it hardly matters to others or to themselves as to whether they exist or not!

Living dead are those who never wishes to be brought back to life by any supernatural force because they are already living in hell everyday!

Living dead are those mad men who are realized but cannot make anyone around understand that!

Living dead are those who are actually not in illusion but the people around them think so: It is they who actually run around all the time like birds gathering for food and do not go beyond the first level of awareness of the soul (Annamaya Kosha)!

The real “Living Dead” in the true sense of the word are those:

Living dead are those who are actually in the mode of ignorance but presume they are happy, dominating and enjoying life!

Living dead are those who see people around them suffering but do not have the inclination to help them even a bit!

Living dead are those who give respect to those who do not deserve any respect but give undue respect to those who do not even deserve it a bit!

Living dead are those who go after pseudo swamis and self-made godman only to get cheated by them because they themselves do not know the real goal of life!

Ultimately:

Living dead are those having born as a human being still do not attempt to know the purpose of their existence till the last day of their lives only to fall into this desperate material pool of existence perpetually without knowing the consequences of this repeated birth death old age and disease!

Notes:

  1. Title inspired by: Meat LoafOut of the frying pan and into the fire. – Video – ” And all around the city You see the walking wounded and the living dead
  2. Theme inspired by Avvaiyaarஒளவையார் தனிப் பாடல் : 54:

கொடியது:

கொடியது கேட்கின் நெடியவெல் வேலோய்!
கொடிது கொடிது வறுமை கொடிது
அதனினும் கொடிது இளமையில் வறுமை
அதனினும் கொடிது ஆற்றொணாத் தொழுநோய்
அதனினும் கொடிது அன்பிலாப் பெண்டிர்
அதனினும் கொடிது
இன்புற அவர்கையில் உண்பது தானே

Meaning: இந்த உலகில் மிகவும் கொடுமையானது எது என்றால் வறுமைதான். அந்த வறுமையும் இளமைப் பருவத்தில் வந்தால் மிக மிகக் கொடுமையானது. அத்தகைய வறுமையை விடக் கொடுமையானது தீராத கொடிய நோய் ஆகும். தீராத கொடிய நோயைவிடக் கொடுமையானது அன்பே இல்லாத பெண்ணுடன் வாழ்வது. அதைவிடக் கொடுமையானது அந்தப் பெண்ணிடம் உணவைப் பெற்று உண்பது ஆகும் என்று கொடுமையானவற்றுள் எல்லாம் மிகவும் கொடுமையானது அன்பு இல்லாத பெண் இடும் உணவை உண்பதுதான் என ஒளவையார் குறிப்பிட்டுள்ளார்.

Translation: People in the following conditions are considered as “Living Dead” because of their terrible sufferings.

The severity increases in the ascending order as mentioned below:

Living dead are those suffering in poverty. More than this are those who are poverty-stricken in their youth. More than this are those who suffer from a terrible disease. More than this are those who live with a woman who have no love for him. The most terrible thing possible for a living dead is to eat the food given by that woman!

  • Concept inspired by Srimad Bhagavatham: “Due to his pious activities in previous lives, the conditioned soul attains material facilities in this life, but when they are finished, he takes shelter of wealth and riches, which cannot help him in this life or the next. Because of this, he approaches the living dead who possess these things. Such people are compared to impure trees, creepers and poisonous wells.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 5.14.12 – The material world as the great forest of enjoyment.

May I?

O my lord, O best of the givers of benediction, if you will kindly grant me the benediction I desire, please let me not meet death from any of the living entities created by you. Grant me that I not die within any residence or outside any residence, during the daytime or at night, nor on the ground or in the sky. Grant me that my death not be brought by any being other than those created by you, nor by any weapon, nor by any human being or animal. Grant me that I not meet death from any entity, living or non-living. Grant me, further, that I not be killed by any demigod or demon or by any great snake from the lower planets. Since no one can kill you in the battlefield, you have no competitor. Therefore, grant me the benediction that I too may have no rival. Give me sole lordship over all the living entities and presiding deities, and give me all the glories obtained by that position. Furthermore, give me all the mystic powers attained by long austerities and the practice of yoga, for these cannot be lost at any time.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 7.3.35-38

If we don’t want to realise the purpose of life as a human being and indulge in everything else other this, we are inferior to even demons whose only purpose in their life is sense gratification. The above verse is from Srimad Bhagavatham where Hiranyakasipu, the king of the demons, on performing long austerities to Lord Brahma asks for the above benedictions thinking himself over-smart only to be put to dust later by Lord Narasimhadeva, the magnificent incarnation of The Supreme Personality of Godhead – Lord Shri Krishna/Lord Vishnu.

This prayer/poem “May I” is an inspiration based on the above benedictions by Hiranyakasipu in order to understand what is our actual position and what should be our real aspiration. “May I” is dedicated to Lord Narasimhadeva, the man-lion incarnation.

May I!

May I beg Lord Shri Krishna that I forever be under His protection and fully surrendered to him!

May these transgressions from spiritual pursuits to be realised only for the time being till I am absolved of my family responsibilities and obligations!

May I able to quit family life then and forever be under Your mercy and protection O Shri Krishna!

May I always live with minimalistic needs while all the time involve myself in chanting your Holy names, reading, writing and listening about You and Your pastimes!

May I quit this body at Your will, while being forever remain surrendered to You life after life!

May this soul always be at Your mercy, so there is no reason to ask for any benediction from You!

May whatever be the condition You put to this soul Please let me always remember You because without your remembrance this soul just cannot exist!

 May I beg You to make me remain as a dust under Your lotus feet since I don’t know to perform any austerities properly nor I know to interpret you properly. All I know is You only!

May I forever be under the shelter of your pure devotees and by fully surrendered to them to solicit their company to continuously chant Your names and Your Holy pastimes!

May I not want any palatable food that kindles the taste buds that drag me into the mode of passion and ignorance. I also don’t want anything else that will make me forget You!

May I not sleep at all because it will make me forget You and to chant Your Holy names all the time – Hare Krishna Mahamantra, Vishnu Sahasranamam and all glorious prayers written for You by Your devotees – prayers that are worthy to be sung!

May I always sing Your prayers describing Your insignia – Sudarshan chakra conch club sword bow etc which are non-different from You!

May I always sing prayers about your glorious incarnations matsya kurma varaha Narasimha Vamana Parasurama Rama Balarama Krishna Kalki which are non-different from you!

May I always sing prayers about your consorts who are your internal potencies – Goddess Maha Lakshmi,  Srimati Radharani and so on!

May I forget hunger, thirst, family relationships and whatever material assets you have given me that will anyway leave me at the time of quitting this body which is only a bag that is constantly emitting foul substances but still wants to enjoy these impermanent things called material nature!

May I always remember You because You only are the object and objective worth remembering!

May I always remember you because You are the only one who is eternal – existing before the creation, during the creation, during the sustenance, during the annihilation and also after the annihilation You only remain!

May I always be surrendered to You without any inhibitions or any expectations!

May I always remain surrendered to You and be under Your protection seeking absolutely nothing from anyone or anything else!

May I always continue to remain in this mindset of being fully surrendered to You under any situation that may be imposed because of karma!

May this commitment of being fully surrendered to you never ever waver no matter what, irrespective of whatever tribulations that I may be put in!

May this act of surrendering to you unconditionally be the only permanent thing in my mind!

May I beg you to accept my Surrender to you – this insignificant soul – and resolve me of all the sins and harms that I have committed to myself and to any living being either willingly or unwillingly!

May I sincerely seek Your forgiveness and beg You to accept my surrender and that I face all the eventualities that will arise out of my foolishness wholeheartedly and make sure I do not commit the same foolishness again!

Finally, please accept my surrender and make me do everything for You without expectation of any reward and make me do everything ONLY for the satisfaction to you!

And by surrendering to You unconditionally Please let your unsurmountable illusory energy Maya not act on me for without wholehearted surrender to Your Lotus feet, this is just not possible!

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare!

Om Namo Naaraayanaaya!

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya!

Conversation 064 – Inner Engineering? Part 5 (Conclusion)

Seeker 2: You will not believe another incident that happened in Noida that is purely based out of instinct or something that even I could not comprehend it had happened!

Seeker 2: After that photo and blog post on the spot (People of the Street), I was walking alone towards my PG.

Seeker 2: I noticed another young lady with very small baby in her arms within 100 meters, having nothing to eat except a small half Parle G biscuit packet. And she looked at me, it was almost almost 10 on the night.

Seeker 2: I don’t know what happened to me that time.

Seeker 2: I just emptied the purse, didn’t even know how much money was inside, just gave it to her and walked away. Then casually walked to the nearby ATM withdrew something and went back to my accommodation. I couldn’t believe what I was doing and realised it only after I went back to the PG!

Seeker 2: I don’t think anyone will believe it but I know you will believe it because you are my best friend!

Seeker 2: You know one thing, just like law of conservation of energy, total quantity of natural resources also remains constant. It’s only improper distribution that is the cause of all problems in this world. If only everyone realises what they need and not want more than that there will be no beggars in this world. So, you get the explanation on what you asked and why people want to blame Krishna for their own nonsense?

Seeker 2: This is a big science and just one Upanishad so small that it contains only 18 verses explains everything so clearly. It is called Sri Isopanishad that gives solutions to poverty and unequal distribution of wealth in this world. This is considered to be one of the smallest upanishads but considered most important.

Seeker 2: People are losing out on the real knowledge and living a life like this not knowing what they are doing.

Seeker 2: But I hope you are getting?

Seeker 1: What?

Seeker 2: Yes

Seeker 1: Yep

Seeker 1: Hmm. No now bothers about this at current era / time.

Seeker 2: Path of destruction is inevitable.

Seeker 1: Yes, it’s already known to everyone! But what made you to do that…were you hypnotized/ you felt to give her whatever you have…Was she expecting that from you?

Seeker 2: No, I was not hypnotized or anything. Already I couldn’t give anything to the lady and the baby in that photo. I was staying alone, so many things were going on in my mind that time…was listening in full volume as I was walking, the most favourite songs from pink Floyd (On the turning away from the album A momentary lapse of reason came back to haunt again – the song that gives goosebumps and teleports me every time I listen to it! depicting similar situation – This same song haunted me at 2 in the night just 4 months earlier! (Interpretations to Post 40: Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam – Do check this!)

Seeker 2: I came from the temple after an amazing divine, you can say ecstatic experience…I was walking the entire distance up and down about 4.5 kms one way. The pathway was very lonely at that time of the night…it was just an instant reaction without any explanation.

Seeker 2: The small baby and mother I saw earlier…they were sleeping peaceful in a rugged blanket…it was February, really cold, if I placed the money there, I thought someone will take it. So, I really felt disappointed and went away…

Seeker 2: immediately within 100 meters I noticed another in much worse condition and just did that I didn’t know that I did!

Seeker 1: Hmm.

Seeker 2: When seeing so many people committing suicide these days, are their conditions any worse than these people? That’s the problem with us because of too much material attachment! I thought whatever I had could be able to sustain them for considerable days because of their minimalistic needs and Krishna will surely save them by His own means!

Seeker 1: Hmm!

Concluded

Conversation 062 – Inner Engineering? Part 3

Seeker 1: I feel one missing with context though I can understand that you are contented within yourself! Isn’t it true??

Seeker 1: Inner controller?? Do you know what it is?? Can you tell if you don’t mind ?? Soul awaken in oneself – means being conscious??

Seeker 2: It’s like starting to tell you everything all over again 😦

Seeker 2: It’s like earning money and being fully involved in that area and its related ways and also being overly involved in spiritual consciousness and awareness 😊 both are totally disconnected ways like parallel lines that do not converge! It’s only cheating oneself if one thinks both can be accomplished together!

Seeker 2: Read this again what Shri Krishna has to say on this if you didn’t read it

Seeker 2: “The Personality of Godhead said: If I especially favor someone, I gradually deprive him of his wealth. Then the relatives and friends of such a poverty-stricken man abandon him. In this way he suffers one distress after another. When he becomes frustrated in his attempts to make money and instead befriends My devotees, I bestow My special mercy upon him. A person who has thus become sober fully realizes the Absolute as the highest truth, the most subtle and perfect manifestation of spirit, the transcendental existence without end. In this way realizing that the Supreme Truth is the foundation of his own existence, he is freed from the cycle of material life.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 10.88.8 – 10

Seeker 2: This is what is the higher purpose of life – Not very anxious to earn lot of money and maintain it for our temporary material existence which we are going to lose everything at the point of death! It’s only the spiritual aspects and assets that is gained in this human life that is going to keep up in good stead for this life and the life after…

Seeker 2: If you are unable to get this aspect that means you are covered by illusion but I know you are able to understand this aspect because I am sure you are aware of these concepts since we have discussed these things quite a lot over the years!

Seeker 2: This is not some materialistic sciences like physics chemistry etc., this is metaphysical and can be realised only through practical experiences.

Seeker 2: No matter how much one speaks about it, explains it, writes about it, the listener or the reader just can’t get to it because it’s self-experience and one has to realise it!

Seeker 2: That’s why people like Shankaracharya Ramanujacharya are Shankaracharya Ramanujacharya are and we are we! Sanyasis voluntarily renounce everything for higher purpose.

Seeker 1: Why do you think that way?

Seeker 2: We can only experience their awareness and be awed by it but not so easy to get to that level as we are, because we are struggling with basic aspects of everyday life!

Seeker 1: Why Krishna has to do it? Is it right way of doing it? If really special mercy is provided by Lord Krishna there won’t be any beggars in this world!

Seeker 2: If you are questioning like this, this is only because your mind is so much tuned to the external world and not something that is inside you. This is lower level of awareness!

Seeker 1: Good point – I need your inputs here to take that into my mind. Do you believe mind is yours? Mind does not belong to either body or so called Atma right?

Seeker 2: Nothing is ours!!! This is the main and the most important point!!! Not knowing this properly is the root cause of all the problems.

Seeker 1: Exactly!

Seeker 1: Tell me one thing how Atma gets associated with mind?? What are the pre-conditions that takes into consideration before it gets associated with mind?? We discussed about it earlier too does Atma has mind or not? Do you know the answer for it? Can you tell this here briefly? Agree mind is like a monkey it does all sorts of monkey activities even though you have human mind. So far, I believe Atma will a temporary mind for about a month / year after it departs body then gets into cycle of finding another mind before getting associated with Body… I’m still not sure about what happens to paramatma after Atma leaves body?

Seeker 2: I don’t know any answers on my own. I get answers only from the most authentic source, The Srimad Bhagavatham and Bhagavad Gita. They have the answers to all questions and this is mentioned in these literatures itself and that is the only fact. It’s really a gradual spiritual evolution process.

Seeker 2: The mind is so much conditioned and obstinate because of our life experiences that it gets carried away by all the accumulated nonsense that it actually refuses to take in the actual truth.  That is not your problem because of all the assumption you are saying is based mostly on your readings and understandings from that and from your own life experiences!

Seeker 2: I will come back to the same favourite statement from Srimad Bhagavatham that we keep discussing and talking and how much that is applicable for normal person like us living in conditioned family life. Check this statement again…

Seeker 2: “The brāhmaṇa Jaḍa Bharata said: My dear King, although you are not at all experienced, you are trying to speak like a very experienced man. Consequently, you cannot be considered an experienced person. An experienced person does not speak the way you are speaking about the relationship between a master and a servant or about material pains and pleasures. These are simply external activities. Any advanced, experienced man, considering the Absolute Truth, does not talk in this way.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 5.11.1

Seeker 1: Hahaha…yes, you got it 👍 This is our favourite quote ever! 😃

Seeker 2: What you are speaking and your mindset is also approximately very similar unfortunately, but that can be eradicated only through right knowledge and dedicated to learning that knowledge and living a life that way!

Seeker 2: I tell you one more thing that is mentioned at the end of all the teachings to King Rahugana on this knowledge, how difficult it is to pursue it, but how rewarding it is in the end…

Seeker 2: “Having summarized the teachings of Jaḍa Bharata, Śukadeva Gosvāmī said: My dear King Parīkṣit, the path indicated by Jaḍa Bharata is like the path followed by Garuḍa, the carrier of the Lord, and ordinary kings are just like flies. Flies cannot follow the path of Garuḍa, and to date none of the great kings and victorious leaders could follow this path of devotional service, not even mentally.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 5.14.42.

Seeker 2: Isn’t this amazing? And how true???

Seeker 1: Yeah got it!

Seeker 2: 👍

(Continued…)

Conversation 061 – Inner Engineering? Part 2

Seeker 1: Prayers to Priya Krishna on his birthday. What you are trying to do? Pray / Burst out / Trying to speak with him?

Seeker 2: Sometimes I even do that because nobody listens to me on these things ☹

Seeker 1: I can’t read fully…have you stopped intentionally?

Seeker 2: No, I concluded it. I was only a short prayer.

Seeker 2: Coming back to our previous conversation, that’s why I keep saying everything depends on diet, prayers, fasting on Ekadashis, listening, readings etc over prolonged periods of time changes the constituents of the mind and body for sure.

Seeker 2: These things are very difficult to explain and can be realised only when one puts the body and mind and stresses it to a very great extent.

Seeker 2: This is really a gradual process.

Seeker 2: Persistence can happen only because of Krishna’s grace.

Seeker 2: His presence is really there I strongly believe it and observe it. It’s very subtle and unable to describe it in words. If you want to gain something even minutely materialistic for your own satisfaction, you are lost!  Because He give more than what you deserve without even asking for it is pretty petty to ask for materialistic prosperity in any terms!

Seeker 2: All these may sound like a mad man speaking but you know, there are only two categories of people who can be really happy in this world… the insane who are totally unaware of the surroundings and the spiritually realised who are aware of everything!

Seeker 2: It’s only the in between like us who are facing horrible situations and suffering because this concept of I and mine dominate with only these kinds of people that is the cause of all misery!

Seeker 2: This is the summary of both Gita and Bhagavatham.

Seeker 2: If you understand this much and take it to you, you will start to understand everything slowly! Yes I did had experiences that are hard to explain but I make sure no one else is around for sure during these times because I don’t want to prove again and again that I am manic😛

Seeker 2: See this!

Seeker 2: “The Personality of Godhead said: If I especially favor someone, I gradually deprive him of his wealth. Then the relatives and friends of such a poverty-stricken man abandon him. In this way he suffers one distress after another. When he becomes frustrated in his attempts to make money and instead befriends My devotees, I bestow My special mercy upon him. A person who has thus become sober fully realizes the Absolute as the highest truth, the most subtle and perfect manifestation of spirit, the transcendental existence without end. In this way realizing that the Supreme Truth is the foundation of his own existence, he is freed from the cycle of material life.” – Srimad Bhagavatham 10.88.8 – 10

Seeker 2: Below is another important verse!

Seeker 2: “A person who is not self-controlled will not be happy even with possessing the three worlds. Material existence causes discontent in regard to fulfilling one’s lusty desires and achieving more and more money. This is the cause for the continuation of material life, which is full of repeated birth and death. But one who is satisfied by that which is obtained by destiny is fit for liberation from this material existence.” Srimad Bhagavatham 8.19.25

Seeker 1: You earlier said this process is a long term or a gradual change – How long approximately? I 100% believe Krishna is there. I agree but materialistic things are needed for yourself when you get old and for your family. If you have something enough for that you don’t even think about it…

Seeker 1: Is that realisation going to happen soon or after our sufferings? True. This is something I’m not liking in this process. Why one has to leave family and friends and one has to suffer to understand the absolute truth? Why can’t one understand this having wealth??

Seeker 1: If you are able to manage your mind this can also be managed to not to get distracted with materialistic word and focus on absolute truth. Isn’t it? Do you agree or not??

Seeker 2: If It’s persistence and extremely sincere devotion towards Krishna, then realisation can happen anytime! At that stage, you no longer notice any difference between suffering and happiness and you will realise these are only the dual nature of materialistic existence!

Seeker 2: I don’t believe that it is in one’s hands. Krishna will take full care of who is fully surrendered to Him. If one starts to think I can do it myself, that’s where all the trouble starts because this is obviously not possible!

Seeker 2: It’s not leaving anyone it’s living with anyone without having too much attachment or dependence on anyone.

Seeker 2: Wealth will impede the process. This is not going to happen because of the energy of Maya and illusion that acts strongly and we will get carried away by that!

Seeker 2: All answers to your questions are right here!!!! – Bali Mahārāja Surrenders His Life

Seeker 1: That means you have not managed your mind well…or one don’t know how to manage their mind!!!

Seeker 2: How can you say that or what is making you say that? You kindly read this one chapter properly and come back to me if you have any questions.

Seeker 2: If you don’t get to read either Bhagavad Gita or Srimad Bhagavatham you will not be able to comprehend how much ever in detail I try to answer these types of questions. it’s only waste of time and effort from both of our sides. Answers can be given and discussed only in reference to various contexts mentioned at various places in them.

Seeker 2: That’s why I said if the body and mind get “conditioned” due to various improper habits, abstinence and purification because of that is required to bring the mind under control so as to assimilate higher thoughts and ideals!

Seeker 2: Mainly 4 things mentioned in Shrimad Bhagavatham are the cause of degradation of soul – Intoxication, Meat eating, Gambling and Inappropriate sex habits.

Seeker 2: Even one of them is sufficient to continue for one to be in a state of various thoughts you have been describing today that makes it more and more impossible to realise the higher purpose of life.

Seeker 2: I am not meant to discourage you if you may be having any of these four habits, the natural process of spiritual realisation hinders that. That cannot be denied because this is according to the most primary and most valued scriptures Bhagavad Gita and Bhagavatham.

Seeker 2: Continuous study of these scriptures and practice in day-to-day life for realising absolute truth through the gained knowledge with renewed rigour often leads to testing situations as well as discouragement from people around but since this is a personal experience, one gets indescribable satisfaction within the self.

Seeker 2: The person will look like a fool to the external world often ridiculed as someone who doesn’t live with the tide and adapt to situations to earn money etc. It’s not his fault because his consciousness gets purified to listen to the inner controller within himself and invoked by Krishna’s grace through Srimad Bhagavatham and Bhagavad Gita.

Seeker 2: Nothing else can invoke that within us because it is fully inside and covered by false ego and can be listened to only if our soul is awakened and our intelligence is directed inward to listen to these instructions. The answers that is all there in Srimad Bhagavatham and Bhagavad Gita will be automatically realised then!

(Continued…)

Conversation 057 – Being interviewed by a reporter from a Spiritual Magazine

I must say that this conversation happened only because of the divine will of Lord Lakshmi Narayana in this temple that I visit almost every day. Otherwise, there could be no other reason!

This conversation took place on 04-July-2019 but I am able to make the full transcript only now.

There is this reporter of a prominent spiritual magazine in Tamil language (name asked to be kept in anonymity), who happened to see me and recognize me. He happened to visit the temple that day. He stopped me right on the road and wanted to converse with me. The conversation (Tamil translated to English) goes like this:

Seeker 1(Reporter)

Seeker 2(Rajini (myself))

Seeker 1: I am a reporter from this magazine in Tamil. We focus mainly on spiritual subjects. I have been a regular follower of your blog and I see that you are nearing 150 posts, that is really a big achievement!

Seeker 2: Thank you very much. I am very glad that you are regularly checking on my blog posts.

Seeker 1: It is my pleasure. I note that you have good knowledge on scriptures, particularly Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatham, Thirukural etc.

Seeker 2: 😊 Please don’t say that. I am only a learner…

Seeker 1: I find that you have written a lot and covered a lot of topics in depth. I want you to summarise based on all that you have written on the present attitude of people in general and what could be done about it.

Seeker 2: 😊we are standing on the road and do you want to talk about it right here?

Seeker 1: I am really sorry. I respect the value of time and so we cannot afford to go to my office to have discussion at this point of time.

Seeker 2: That’s really very nice of you! Okay, then we shall go to this isolated kind of annexure to this temple. I call it the ant-hill Lord Lakshmi Narayanan 😊. I am usually here most of the time because this is solitary and peaceful for prayers. No one ever comes here inside 😊

Seeker 1: Sure.

Seeker 1: I am recording what you are saying for my interpretations. I hope this is fine with you. I would share the recording with you after sometime. I think the recording is likely to be interspersed with lot of traffic noise because of our location, but I think that doesn’t matter.

Seeker 2: Sure. But One thing I want to tell you. This is the place where I meditate regularly. So, I might get into a sort of trance at some point of time as I watch Lord Lakshmi Naarayanaa and speak on the answer😊 and say anything as ordained that time, you may note some subtle changes in my voice etc., but I would sincerely request you to take note of the validity of whatever I say and use it for the benefit of everyone.

Seeker 1: Sure, I will.

Seeker 2: Before I answer on what you have asked, I dedicate whatever that I had to say, advertently or inadvertently to Goddess Saraswathi because She is the source of all knowledge, She is the object of all knowledge and also She is the destination of all knowledge. I also seek the blessings of the source of everything, Lord Naarayanaa and His eternal consort Goddess Mahalakshmi.

Seeker 2: <<Goddess Saraswathi Invocation>>

Seeker 2: Here it goes…

Seeker 2: People, why you are running around here and there all the time? Where do you actually want to go from here? What big things are you doing in this world that is of really of any significance or benefit to anyone or anything? What???

Seeker 2: Same running around all the time…same sleeping…same waking up…same eating…same work…day in and day out…

Seeker 2: When is this all going to end?… Is this work that you are doing giving any satisfaction to you? you are doing the same thing again and again as if you have become mentally retarded…

Seeker 2: Is this giving happiness? What sorts of happiness? Where is this all leading to?

Seeker 2: At the end of ONE day, we all have to leave this place., by being disciplined. Doing good…learning good things. do you want to find a way of reaching the abode of Lord Vishnu…or…

Seeker 2: By being too materialistic like…I have to buy this house…I am to earn this much…I have to buy that car…I have to buy this…I have to buy that…I have to buy luxuries for my family and well-wishers…

Seeker 2: Eat this…eat that…eat whatever I feel like that satisfies my palate…

Seeker 2: You have this…I have that. I will show off my possessions to people around me but that only gain you jealousy and envy…

Seeker 2: What is going to come to you finally? Are these “possessions” of yours really yours??? What is really going to come to with you at the end?

Seeker 2: How you have lived…How has been your life…Has anyone really benefited from your gestures that transformed them, that made you live in their heart forever like a guardian angel? He introduces you to his friends and well-wishers…saying…”I have been with this person…What I am now is because of him”…Have you made anyone tell like this about you? Then what has been the purpose of your life? What is going to happen after you are no longer there? What are the people going to talk about you then?

Seeker 2: Goats, cows, pigs etc. eat well…sleep well…procreate well…know how to defend…are you being born as a human being only to do this in a much more sophisticated manner?

Seeker 2: Do you know how you have evolved into a human being? These mundane things what you are doing now are being done by you in all your life forms since ages…

Seeker 2: You have been provided intelligence…right? right? Doing these same things, then what is the use of acquiring this human birth after crossing all these life forms…

Seeker 2: Wealth, Work??? Can you do it honest in this world? Everything is disguised cheating…. that causes heart-burns for so many people and you are also not satisfied as well…

Seeker 2: This is Karmic influence…you have to face it…Will it go? What is going to happen after THAT day…Is atma (soul) like a stone etc. that is made from 5 material elements to also disappear??? atma is life particle…atma is eternal…and that keeps transmigrating…

Seeker 2: The Supreme Lord thinks this way…Atma ,  you moved away from Me…you wanted an identity…to dominate material nature… “thinking” I know how to live on my own…the material nature is mine and is for mine…this body is mine…this is my wife…my kid…my house…my nation…my earth…

Seeker 2: Krishna asks…What is yours???? For how long?  What did you bring in when you came into this world? From previous births…t is just continuing from there. What else you had? Understand that..your being is now like a dog…just for the sake of living a livelihood and seeking petty pleasures, you didn’t seek to learn good things…forget what is needed. Forget your own self…

Seeker 2: Forgot that the atma is in your body…you forget even that…you get attached to false conceptions and feelings that this is my body…she is my wife and so on.. The body that is made of 5 elements. What is going to happen. How will atma go out on this body on THE day…it can only go through the nine holes (two holes in the western side…mouth..nostrils, eyes and ears). If you don’t realise yourself before the time of your death…

Seeker 2: Why being born again as to do what you have been doing before? What are the things that has come to you as of now, at this point, that were with you since the time of your birth? everything is changing…what is staying the same from birth to death? Its only the atma that is dwelling in your body that stays unchanged throughout…

Seeker 2: How did the atma acquire this very body? Have you ever thought about it? It had been in various bodies earlier. Even now this atma could have been in any body…be it in a coconut tree, snake, demon etc. but what made it chose this very body of yours to stay? Won’t you think about it?

Seeker 2: For this sake only, God has provided intelligence to “human beings”…but what are you using it for? watching some junk stupid movies and third-rated soaps…indulge in all sorts of habits, useless idle talks, gossip and pomp…eating all sorts of obnoxious stuff and spend time in cooking them and discussing about them as well… ☹

Seeker 2: Without even realising what the gunas of the food that you eat are the ones that drives your thought process, character, your intelligence and your way of life…you spin like a wheel running around…

Seeker 2: Everything starts from what you eat…food constituents are split into 2 parts…one part for energy to drive all physical activities. The remaining part? What it does do you know. You think eating this will build muscles, that will improve eyesight etc. But for how long..50yrs+???..wont the aging process take over?

Seeker 2: Skin starts to lose its lustre…eyesight fades…ear doesn’t hear properly…whatever you have been eating so far…Will you be able to eat them for life. Your doctor says eat without salt…reduce fats…reduce sugars…having eaten all obnoxious foodstuffs so far to satisfy your tongue…and thinking only food is life…you ask yourself how you will be able to stop it suddenly?…then you start to think…why should I live…are you living just for eating?

Seeker 2: In olden days rishis, munis, gyanis have told…written Ramayana.Mahabharata…puranas etc. and for Tamils, the Tamil Veda…Thirukural…leaving these things…what you guys are reading…how to influence others. How to be successful in business…these are required…no doubt…but this is not all…

Seeker 2: What is required for good living? You people leave this…what is good…what is bad…how to live…how not to live…not thinking like that…hear from junk and degenerated people with all sorts of vices and bad habits…if you don’t know anything…even if some idiots says something it becomes Vedanta to you. Are these things not worth thinking about?

Seeker 2: ..or for the remaining part of your life. Do you want to do the same thing…running around here and there without any use…expecting flattery for whatever you do…What are you having for lunch…Shall we go to this hotel…How is this cinema…How is this TV serial? How much this guy score in that match…  What is this all going to lead to? Think! if you think what I am saying is good for you. start with books…

Seeker 2: for example. Start with Thirukural. If you don’t know Tamil. Do you know that Thirukural has been translated into at least 80-90 languages worldwide…you don’t have to do anything like learning all the 1330 couplets…just take any from the first 500..you may even take it some random page…there is something in everything there for life…you just need to take your preferred language and just READ.

Seeker 2: You complain…I lost my job…I fought with wife…i don’t know how to reconcile…my kid is not obeying me…my kid is not studying…my kid is roaming around…if we are  disciplined…why the kid will not be obedient or wayward? we are not obedient ourselves…but worry about our kid…what will happen to him. How will he study…how will he succeed…?

Seeker 2: Already God has carved a path for everyone based on our past karma and what we do in this life…so what will we do. We don’t even know what is in store for tomorrow. Then why think about your kid so much ???…he will do…he will study. If kids are undisciplined…so are we…!

Seeker 2: We leave our parents alone in their old age either in “homes” or get themselves solitary confined in their own home…your family…your wife and kids live in a different place…you live in a different place…your parents sweated out and shed blood for you to bring you up…you forget what they did for you…

Seeker 2: You say…they are old…I can’t even take care of my kid. You listen to your wife for all her idiosyncrasies. If her family come to your house you buy everything for them and make them happy. I am just saying what is happening you have to judge it yourself…

Seeker 2: I don’t even bother whether this happen or doesn’t happen with you…you see everything that is happening around you but if you agree to this or not…it’s just your discretion…

Seeker 2: I don’t have anything to gain or lose…that you guys listen to me for this long I treat this as a blessing and some sort of an achievement…I am just telling what I think and also many are my own personal experiences that I I am talking about…

Seeker 2: At the present state of world affairs, if you think even 10% – 15% of what I said as truth or fact or if it makes some sense to you…I think that would be a big happiness to me…

Seeker 2: …or I would have to take this like this…you people tend to watch at least 3 or 4 TV serials daily that are total time wasters anyways…and there is only negative takeaway from them…I would think this like that…that’s all…people cannot change themselves and would always want to remain like status quo…it is their destiny…

Seeker 2: Thank you very much for the opportunity to share my thoughts. I hope all will be good to everyone…understand people…life and its importance…

Seeker 2: Hare Krishna!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sdixUGwe-JTwc093Q9sAQCwUzmTNUksp

(The above audio is my voice is in my mother tongue, Tamil Language)

The below conversation is after the recording and before parting our ways…

Seeker 1: Phew…that was too much…really a pleasure to be able to listen to you…looks like you covered the basic principles of Gita and Bhagavatham in just around 20 minutes.

Seeker 2: 😊 there is a lot to talk…I just didn’t want to divert from your question too much.

Seeker1: Yes, you were very much to the point…very subtle but thought-provoking…

Seeker 2: It’s just my longing that people lead a more basic and disciplined life and get contented with what they have. Pretty hopeful this will happen at least to those who are inclined for it.

Seeker 1: Yes! You are right. I have to thank you again for suggesting this make-shift arrangement for this “interview” 😊

Seeker 2: It’s my pleasure!

Seeker 1: நன்றி! மீண்டும் சந்திப்போம்! (Thank you! We will meet again!)

Seeker 2: Thank you very much!

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